Posts by lisaBObeesa

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Conti update article: "Watchtower Loses Conti Appeal - But Fights On"

by cedars in

i've published a new article on my blog explaining where things are up to with the candace conti case.. as well as detailing the latest developments, i also summarize the events since june and reveal some of kathleen conti's thoughts on what's in store for the watchtower.. here is the link:.

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/watchtower-loses-conti-appeal-but-fights-on.

as always, if you can think of a way that the article can be improved, i would love to hear feedback!.

lisaBObeesa

If they didn't lose an appeal, then the article should not say they lost an appeal.

As 144,001 said, this is incorrect information. Words matter. I just read the headline and thought they had lost an appeal...almost called my mom to tell her...thank goodness I read a little more and found out they have not lost an appeal. That would have been embarrassing to have mom tell me I don't know what I'm talking about...! Or what if I started spreading around that incorrect info on the internet? People will find it to not be true and then you and I and all the people spreading the incorrect info from your headline lose all credibility...Then your article that you put so much work into ends up doing more damage than good. Using the correct words matters. Facts, facts, facts.

It should say, "The Watchtower's motion for JNOV in the Conti Cas has been Denied, --Files Appeal of Verdict "...or something along those lines. Whatever it says, it must be factual and CLEAR because your blog is where so many people, myself included, are getting their information about this story.

As can be seen from other forum topic discussions, being a JW attorney poses several doctrinal problems. The GB members preach against prolonged university study and to become a practicing attorney the law student must eventually take an oath. Some research indicates that the WTS law staff includes staff members who became attorneys before they became JWs - or it would appear. Ms. Carolyn Wah would be an example, since she has proudly cited her Catholic parochial school education elsewhere - suggesting a career route: don't be a born in, especially if you are a woman. But this also means that the WTS is hostage to market forces if they really want the representation required.

I personally know of one person raised a JW who went to school for the expressed purpose of becomeing a lawyer for the Organization. I think, but I'm not totally sure, that the Org actually paid for his law school.

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Why I Didnt Become A Jehovahs Witness

by Bangalore in

why i didn't become a jehovah's witness.

http://gracelookingback.wordpress.com/2012/09/05/why-i-didnt-become-a-jehovahs-witness/.

bangalore.

lisaBObeesa

that was a great post with a great point!

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IF cornered, what 2 or 3 examples of error in JW teaching would you point out?

by undercover in

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just curious about this.

if - if you were cornered by elders or family or even an outsider who was curious, what two or three things would you use to point out why you no longer accept "the truthtm"?

(an exercise, not a factual situation).

lisaBObeesa

1) Shunning. there are NO scriptures in the bible that say you must shun anyone the elders announce is 'no longer a Jehovah's Witness' and shun them without knowing why you are shunning them, and continue shunning them untill the elders say you can speak to that person again. Zero scriptures! There are NO scripture that say a repentant person must sit in the back of the hall being completely ignored like they don't exist for at least 6 moths to prove they are repentant. Zero scriptures!! can bring out all their favorite scriptures that they THINK support it but not one of them say ANYTHING about the actual Jehovah's Witness REQUIRED procedures.

2) the fact that they think emotional abuse is loving

3)the scriptures they changed the Bible to make the NWT agree with their teachings, rather than making their teachings agree with the Bible ( ie: 'Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in paradise.'" As opposed to this most translations have something like the following for Jesus' words: "Truly I say to you, Today you will be with me in Paradise.")

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A poignant comment on JWsurvey.org from a nonJW regarding Sparlock

by cedars in

i woke up this morning to find the following comment had been left on jwsurvey.org on my article entitled "watchtower's new 'toy story' - what parents need to know".

it read as follows.... .

my grandson, who is 3, was telling me magic is bad several times a day.

lisaBObeesa

I'd tell the child, "Oh honey, magic isn't real. Magic is only pretend. You don't need to worry about it!"

That is what anyone would say.

The mom probably wouldn't even object to that comment if she heard it.

But, if the mom did object (I doubt it), it would be a great conversation starter: (shocked expression, talking to the mom... 'You believe magic is real?')

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Umm Hi

by Killa in

so i have something interesting to share.. i am a jehovah's witness.

i have been in the truth for 26 years of my life.

as a young boy i deeply loved the truth.

lisaBObeesa

“I have no conscience”

It seems to me that yes, you actually do have some conscience. You don't want to be a rapist or a killer, you consider some of your actions crimes, you try to 'justify' to Jehovah...

YOU are still in there. Hello, and welcome.

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How would YOU explain a Jehovah's Witness FEAR of Disfellowshipping to a reporter ?

by Balaamsass in

today i got contacted by a reporter.

he was incredulous that a parent would contact elders and not report a child rape to the police immediately.

i tried to put on my jw hat and explain the jw mindset to him..but it was like explaining color to a blind man.

lisaBObeesa

I tried to use the Mrs' phrase "JWs are Amish with make-up"..but that just doesn't get across the "us vs them" mindset of JWs.

I use the Almish to explain things to people. Thanks to all the programs on TV about the Almish, more Americans are familiar with what it is like for a person to leave the Almish or be kicked out of the Almish.

People understand that it is like being kicked out of your entire world. And that is what it is like to be DF from the JWs. The JWs are a closed society, just like the Almish, and being kicked out of the JWs is like being kicked out of your entire world, all your friends and all your family as if they all died at once....just like being kicked out of the Almish.

The only difference is JWs use modern technology, have jobs out in the 'world' and so on. So it looks like the JWs are not closed off. But make no mistake about it: Though you see them out in the world living, the JWs don't really LIVE in out in the world. They LIVE in their closed community, just like the Almish.

And, just like the Almish, being kicked out of the closed community = being cut off from GOD Himself. It equals going to Hell (though JWs don't believe in Hell).

What could be more frightening then losing ALL of your family and friends at once(as if they all died) and being damned?

ETA: I guess I didn't really address the question in the OP...I was more focusing on the question in the title of the post. So I will add this:

Just like the Almish, the JWs are told to report things to the elders and to follow the rules and that is what they do. They trust their elders to handle things. The elders are their 'higher authority.'

The Police are just 'the world' and the JWs don't live in the world. Just like the Almish. (the Almish don't report their child abuse to 'the English', either.)

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ABOUT TERRY

by Quentin in

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terry was admitted to the hospital yesterday.

he has a severe case of cellulites which has affected his neck glands.

his face and neck are very swollen.

lisaBObeesa

Terry, Wishing you a very speedy recovery!

Please demand they treat your pain with some REAL pain meds!

I'm so sorry you are going through this.

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"No Other Magazine Comes Close" - Watchtower's new slogan...

by cedars in

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...and they're clearly in the mood for pushing it on youtube.. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lerx3gkthxk.

what is it with all these random youtube channels, each showing polished and highly-produced videos.

lisaBObeesa

I like how they act like 1879 was sooooo long ago.....

Why didn't they start back with the apostles who were going door to door with their "watchtower" scrolls and carry it all the way to today?

I like the idea of a parody...maybe of changing doctrines....

Here is a nice list from "NewLight2"

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/4809/1/Old-Light-New-Light-Changes-in-WT-Doctrine

OLD LIGHT - NEW LIGHT
ORGAN TRANSPLANTS
1967-1980: prohibited as "cannibalism" WT 11/15/67 p.702
Since 1980 - permitted WT 3/15/80 p.31
VACCINATIONS
1931-1952 Prohibited as being a "direct violation of the everlasting covenant."
Golden Age 2/4/31 p.293
Since 1952 - permitted WT 12/15/52 p.764and AWAKE! 8/22/65 p.20
ORGANIZATION - ITS IMPORTANCE
1893 - No organization today WT 1893 p.266
1894 - Not part of the Lord's plan. WT 12/1/1894 p. 384
1895 - Beware of organization WT 9-15-1895 p.216
1955 - Respect the organization Qualified to be Ministers, 1955, p.380
1957 - Obedience to organization. WT 5/1/57 p.274
1972 - Submit to headship (Governing Body) WT 12-15-72 p.755
1983 - Essential part of the Lord's plan WT 2/15/83 p.12
PYRAMIDOLOGY
Prior to 1928 - "God's Stone Witness and Prophet" Used to predict dates Thy Kingdom Come, 1891, p.313, 16, 17, 342, 362
Since 1928 - Satan's Bible; not God's Stone Witness. WT 11/15/28 p.344
1928 - Satan's Bible WT 11-15-28 p.841
1930 - Just a pile of stones Light II, 1930, p.286
ROMANS 13:1 - WHO ARE THE "SUPERIOR AUTHORITIES?"
1886 - Earthly governments Divine Plan of the Ages, 1886, p.266
1889 - Earthly governments Time Is At Hand, 1889, p.81
1932-1963: God and Christ Vindication, Vol. 3, 1932, p.13 and The Truth Shall
Make You Free, 1943, p.312
1952 - God and Christ Let God Be True, 1952, p.248
1959 - God and Christ Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose, p.91
1963 - Earthly political governments WT 1/1/63 p.31
1975 - Earthly political governments 1975 Yearbook, p.238 1980 - Earthly political governments WT 5/15/80 p.4
THE REVELATION NAMES "APOLLYON" AND "ABADDON"
Refers to Satan - The Finished Mystery, p.159
Refers to Jesus Christ - Then Is Finished the Mystery of God, p.232
WHO IS "THE TRUE LORD?"
Jesus Christ WT 9-15-83 p.19
Jehovah God WT 7-1-89 p.30
THE "ALPHA AND OMEGA"OF REVELATION 22:12
Refers to Jehovah God - AWAKE! 8/22/78 p.28
Refers to Jesus Christ - WT 10/1/78 p.15
( A major change in just 2 months!)
WHO IS MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL?
Not the Son of God - WT November, 1879, p.4
Jesus not an angel - WT March, 1883, p.456
The Pope of Rome - The Finished Mystery, 1926 Edition, p.188
Jesus Christ, the Son of God - Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1985, p.218
SAYING "HELLO" TO DISFELLOWSHIPPED MEMBERS?
1970 NO WT 6/1/70 p.352
1972 NO Organization for Kingdom Preaching..., 1972, p.172
1974 YES WT 8/1/74 pp.464,465 1981 NO WT 9/15/81 p.25
WILL THE MEN OF SODOM AND GOMORRA BE RESURRECTED?
1879 YES WT July, 1879 p.8
1952 NO WT 6/1/52 p.338
1965 YES WT 8/1/65 p.479
1988 NO WT 8/1/88 p.31
1988 YES "You Can Live Forever..." p.179 (Old Edition)
1988 NO "You Can Live Forever..." p.179 (New Edition)
1988 YES Insight On The Scriptures, Vol.2, p.985
1988 NO Revelation - Its Grand Climax p.273
WHEN WAS THE 'SECOND PRESENCE' OF JESUS CHRIST?
1874 - Harp of God, 1921, p.234
1874 - WT 1/1/24 p.5
1874 - Creation, 1927, p.289
1874 - Prophecy, 1929, p.65
1914 - AWAKE! 4/22/57 pp. 11,12
1914 - From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained, 1958, p.170
1914 - God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years..., 1973, pp. 209,210
1914 - You Can Live Forever..., 1982, p.147
The Society said in the Watchtower issue of WT 1/15/93 p.5 "The
Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus' presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914."
"CONSISTENTLY"? After examining the above quotes, is this true?
WHO IS THE "FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?"
a. All anointed Watchtower members - JWS in the Divine Purpose, p.68
b. Brother Russell filled the office of special "servant" - WT 3/1/23 p.6
c. From 1896 to 1916 - Watchtower founder, Charles Taze Russell The
Finished Mystery, 1917, p.5
d. Charles Taze Russell - The finished Mystery, 1917, p.53
e. Spiritual Israelites: the 'anointed' Society members - From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained, 1958, p.193
f. The Watchtower admits earlier view that Russell was considered "the
Servant" Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose, 1959, p.69
g. A "class" of individuals - 1975 Yearbook, p.88
h. "Russell disavowed being the Servant." - God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years..., 1973, pp.345,346
i. The Society asserts that it never published a biography of Pastor Russell - Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose, 1959, p.63
j. But here are the Introductory pages of the Society's Biography of Pastor Russell - The Divine Plan of the Ages, 1927 Ed., p.1
(So, why the cover-up?)
k. Because in this Biography Russell admitted in private that HE was "the Servant" - The Divine Plan of the Ages, 1927 Ed., p.7

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She refused to Return His Calls After a First Date, Then in Rage, He Rants Out, Very Revealing

by Scott77 in

nb: this is internet re-post lindsay mannering's article.

enjoy reading.

comments (538)|likes (81)if ever there was a reason to hide under the covers with a box of wine and swear off menfor good, this might be it.

lisaBObeesa

I think the guy who wrote this letter was a Sheldon...sounds just like him...

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Close friend recently disfellowshipped.

by Emery in

just recently i had a very close friend call to notify me of their future disfellowshipping.

i felt such sadnesss by their phone call as they seemed pretty shook up and were desperately pleading their repentance over the phone so i wouldn't think critically of them.

i immediately reassured that person that i still loved and cherished them greatly regardless of their status, i would be there whenever they needed me.

lisaBObeesa

I'd be careful, but ask questions that cause cognitive dissonance.

"Wow! I'm so sorry this is happening to you! And I'm surprised. I mean, I can tell it is obvious that you are very repentant. I thought repentant people were not disfellowshipped. wow. Why are they disfellowhipping you if you are repentant?"

But I'd be very careful....