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  Trinitiarian "proof-text" John 20:28 has some problems for "Trinitarians"

  by booker-t in

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  all through my years as a jws and after i have always wondered about john 20:28 where thomas says "my lord and my god" to jesus.

  i just could not find a suitable answer for this text to disprove the trinity doctrine.

  i really never swallowed the jws intrepretation of "shock" by thomas something like "oh my god" but at the same time i had a gut feeling trinitarians were hiding something about this verse.

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  In a christian point of view I think the trinitarian doctrine is far superior because:

  1) the trinitarian view encompass the unitarian, because it have perfectly the Father-Son relationship. The roles this two persons of Trinity it's not related to their substances. Two adult humans non related to each other can build a relationship as father and son, but it's not implied that the father role is a superior human or adult.

  2) Jesus was not exactly the Son God when on earth, because he was a lowered (under the angel status) version of Son God (no man can see God). So is consistent to him speak about the Father God as being superior. In a role relationship a son always take the father as superior, like a pupil and a teacher.

  3) There's a unvenial sin regarding the Holy Spirit. Even in doubt, what is more risky? Consider the Holy Spirit as a person or just like an irrational force?

  The trinity concept makes the bible less inconsistent. Because it explains all the passages refering a clearly hierarchical relationship between a father and a son and all passages clearly trinitarian, like the Holy Spirit having feelings. Trinitarians have no problems with texts about father-son relationship, but unitarians have a lot of trouble with trinitarian texts.

  I do agree with the more consistent view of Trinity, and I'm not a christian anymore.
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  Have you heard Judge Rutherford give a sermon?

  by Terry in

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  the phonograph records recorded by judge rutherford have been uploaded to the internet archives.. you can stream them and listen.. https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3a%28j.%20f.%20rutherford%29.

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  Wow Old Goat!

  You must be very ancient of days...

  Take care!
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  The Year 4014

  by snowbird in

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  i will turn 61 years old this coming november.. i will turn 2,061 years old in november of 4014.. http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=4014.

  according to ecclesiastes 3:11, the concept of eternity is part of our makeup.. it's mind-boggling to think about it.. sylvia.

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  I can bet somewhere in the world this year is 4015 (or near).

  Even the time counting is relative.
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  A MESSAGE to the Governing Body and others like them through human history

  by Terry in

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  there is something all too familiar about it, something that sickens the stomach and reminds us how low and prejudiced evil minds can go.. those who divide humans up in order to weaken and conquer them will stop at nothing if not counterfeit reasoning to justify their evil.. .

  the arguments made in the past and the arguments made in the present have a familiar ring to them and the false clanger is a note of warning!.

  "if you give women the right to vote, you're just doubling the vote of their husband.".

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  People in high position cannot plead ignorance.

  If you are in a leader position is your duty know all about your responsabilities.

  If your decisions (can) make a direct damage to another people, you're responsible for that.
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  Why are we not seeing more posts on Cosmos? Im surprised! Believers, what do you think!?

  by Jon Preston in

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  i want to see and hear peoples views on what we have seen.

  i, personally, think it has been fantastic.

  i hear many complain its not informative enough or its sugar coated or whatever but i think its brilliant for the mere fact that its dumbed down for us lamen folk...my wife still doesnt get some of it and i agree...but that, for me, shows how comex real life is....its not easy as many religionists believe.....

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  In My opinion Jesus gave us the beginning to searching for scientific truth!

  So so wrong! Jesus stuff gave us the Middle Ages.
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  A MESSAGE to the Governing Body and others like them through human history

  by Terry in

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  there is something all too familiar about it, something that sickens the stomach and reminds us how low and prejudiced evil minds can go.. those who divide humans up in order to weaken and conquer them will stop at nothing if not counterfeit reasoning to justify their evil.. .

  the arguments made in the past and the arguments made in the present have a familiar ring to them and the false clanger is a note of warning!.

  "if you give women the right to vote, you're just doubling the vote of their husband.".

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  Yes, bitter but true.

  The GB knows the TTATT because they are the only ones who can freely discuss (and alter) doctrines.

  If they believed in doctrines why they change them? You only change something when the present thing it's not desired.
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  OH NO!! The latest clip for kids on JW.ORG so very wrong!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  so the latest clip on jw.org for kids is so wrong!.

  it is about the "victory song".

  lets all sing songs about how vengeful and destructive "our loving god" can be...along with cartoonish pictures...... all rejoice at the death of the evil people who used their "god-given free will", then got punished for doing so!.

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  Sick!
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  How did you find the truth about the truth (TTATT)

  by Maat13 in

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  i am sure there has been a post about this subject, however being a recent addition to the network i don't know how to do a search.

  and i'm sure new folks have joined since then.

  i am really curious of how others came to know ttatt.. for me is was a real bad experience with one elder after another.

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  When (in 2006 when I was 24) I decided to research about the JW's beliefs.

  I started with Babylon The Great in Wikipedia, and the rest is history...
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  Describe a Model Exemplary Jehovah's Witness

  by minimus in

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  is it someone who doesn't drink?.

  is it someone who avidly studies the bible and follows it to a tee?.

  i think a model jw is simply a braindead folower..

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  Yes I think is the one who can hide the double life.

  Every JW (must) have a double life.
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  The Self Delusion

  by John_Mann in

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  we already are very familiar with the god delusion, but what to think about the property of being self aware is just another illusion?.

  buddhism asserts that and many people does not know that the very materialism (physicalism) asserts that too.. how can an illusion be self aware to be an illusion in itself?

  what would change in your life if you accept this?.

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  poppers Yes I know this explanation, but if this Self is the only thing that exists then we still can say there's no individuality at all. There's no John_Mann "True Self" and one popper's "True Self" because it's just one thing.

  Plato and Kant said that every object have a "true self" in an ideal realm (Plato) and these ideal "objects" are the only things-in-itself (Kant).

  But Schopenhauer gone further and said if the real existence is beyond categories (time, space, etc) so there's no sense to keep the individualization among ideal objects. In this ideal realm must exist just one thing that he called "Will to Live" (Shunyata, Brahman...), a kind of blind force/energy that (for some unknown reason) needs to manifest itself in an objective world with the illusion of multi-individualization (Vishnu becoming infinite beings [Vishvarupa] in Baghavad Gita).

  In Physics we have a similar concept called quantum vacuum fluctuation, a kind of "pregnant void", an empty state that can give origin to an entire universe.

  Even in this sense, there's no self or Self.