Suav: It probably was in 1987. I took some bad acid in the 60's, and it puts my mind in a different time zone. I occasionally get flashbacks, but the dates are distorted.
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Ray Franz - is he REALLY a hero?
by baltar447 inon one hand, he's enlightnened many to the internal circle jerk that is the governing body (circa the 70s).. but if there's one reason that can be pointed to for the jws becoming full on cult, it's ray franz.
without him leaving in the manner he did, and stirring the pot, they might not have change the rule (retroatively i might add) on shunning of disassociated ones.
they specifically changed that so they could remove him and eliminate his influence.. his actions single handedly have created the situation where we have to fade, evade, leave marriages, say goodbye to family, just because we don't buy the jw bullsh!t anymore.
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Ray Franz - is he REALLY a hero?
by baltar447 inon one hand, he's enlightnened many to the internal circle jerk that is the governing body (circa the 70s).. but if there's one reason that can be pointed to for the jws becoming full on cult, it's ray franz.
without him leaving in the manner he did, and stirring the pot, they might not have change the rule (retroatively i might add) on shunning of disassociated ones.
they specifically changed that so they could remove him and eliminate his influence.. his actions single handedly have created the situation where we have to fade, evade, leave marriages, say goodbye to family, just because we don't buy the jw bullsh!t anymore.
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A hero shows courage in the face of adversity. Ray did this. He exposed and opened the boardroom discussions in the inner private sacred rooms of JW land. He risked losing his friends, relatives, a comfortable life. It takes a big man to admit his mistakes, and involvements with how those mistakes affected the lives of others. The mid 70's had other heros, so many and their names escape me.
I read COC in 1977, and it opened my eyes. I didn't read his 2nd book. One book was all I needed to ground me back to earth.
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QFR August 15, 2014 - Resurrection and Marriage
by wisdomfrombelow inthe article addressed luke 20:34-36 and now they finally admit jesus could have been referring to the heavenly resurrection.
they said "put simply, the answer is that we cannot say" which is surprising because they have something to say about everything.
perhaps all the old people who are waiting the new world as widow and widowers want to know if they have a chance to be reunited with their dead loved one.
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Well, now maybe they'll admit that disfellowshipping is wrong.
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Yup, I read it.
Still trying to process it.
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Congregation Pledge Disgusted Elder
by rrb2016 inat the meeting the other night, the elder who had to read the announcements, which included the $$ info for the new donation arrangement seemed downright disgusted as he read the announcements and asked for the vote.
he said, "well, here is another organizational change" as he read the letter about the discontinuation of the 2nd meeting during co visit.
then after they voted, he said if you have any questions ask this other elder as if he wanted nothing to do with it.
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From now on I will pay every thing as a pledge. I have already sent annonymous notes to my Utilities Co, Bank Mtg, Internet, tel, car loan co's. It should work, eh?
The only problem is when I buy my groceries. When I give the clerk at the Custumer Service desk this pledge on a piece of paper, she calls security to escort me out of the store.
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How do you study? What are your methods of memorizing big amount of text?
by will-be-apostate ini'm having an exam in mineralogy in 20 days and need to learn 120+ pages of content.
i've learned a part of it so far.
i'm just curious how did you/do you study?
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I have a great system for memorizing, but I can't remember it right now.
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Would You Become A JW Again If Local Congregations Could Become Independent?
by Space Madness infor those who still believe in god, if local congregations could break away from the watchtower would you consider becoming a witness again.
this would mean no more governing body, circuit overseers, watchtower magazines, and each congregation could have its own "new light".
most of us left because of the control (no college, disfellowsipping) but if the watchtower was out of the picture, all of this would disappear.
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Hell no, and miss out on all this fun?
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How many remember the 15 min break Between the Public Tlk and WT Study?
by Wasanelder Once inas kid i remember a break of 15 minutes between the public talk and the wt study.
all the new ones and "weak" ones ran out to smoke.
loved to see the attendant round them up to come back in when the droning began again.
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Yes, I know that Blondie, but whenever I discuss this with a female I always get slapped in the face.
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How many remember the 15 min break Between the Public Tlk and WT Study?
by Wasanelder Once inas kid i remember a break of 15 minutes between the public talk and the wt study.
all the new ones and "weak" ones ran out to smoke.
loved to see the attendant round them up to come back in when the droning began again.
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I remember when the chairman mistakenly announced, " We will now have a 15 minute intercourse, and return
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Great Crowd Survivors will be Maimed, Lame, and have one eye
by Quarterback init's official.
the saturday convention program has a talk.
it is titled arrive maimed, lame, and with one eye.
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Yes Bobcat. It must be based on that.