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  Credit Donation Machines in Assembly Halls

  by leonbus23 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just received an email from the ex-jw meetup group coordinator in phoenix.

  she stated that the jws are putting credit donation machines at the assembly halls.

  is this true?

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  Alfred

  Their justification will be that this is yet another loving provision from the Governing Body in their efforts to simplify things for Jehovah's people in this difficult time of the end. By lovingly providing these credit donation machines, the brothers in the accounts departments at these assemby halls can now have a lot more time to sit with their families and enjoy the program... They're so predictable...

  But what they're really doing here is targeting the JW population that tends to carry little or no cash (due to the abundance of ATMs around the nation)... It's no secret that a lot less people carry significant cash in their pockets than, say, 20 years ago... It just dawned on the WT that they need to tap into the funds of those who have gone cashless because of technology...
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  Society tells us to stop asking questions...

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was just glancing at the back of the october 15th watchtower and the questions from readers.

  the question under discussion is "what should i do when i have a question about something i read in the bible or when i need advice about a personal problem?".

  the article goes on to discuss how we should consult the watch tower publications index among the many 'tools' that have been provided by the faithful and discreet slave whenever we have a question that is not directly discussed in the publications.. one statement really caught my eye, because it's the first time i've ever seen the society actually dissuade people from writing in with questions.

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  Alfred

  Knee-jerk reaction or not... the WT hates questions...

  One of the most most frequent questions they get in the mail is about their chronolgy as regards to the whole 607-1914 Adventist teaching they keep re-cycling...

  That's quite probably why this article was published around the same time as the two recent articles about Jerusalem's destruction. They were pretty much silent on this subject since 1988 (the year the Insight books were published). But the questions kept piling up. Eventually the GB had to get old Rolf Furuli to dazzle the rank-and-file with his BS so they can all shut the hell up (on the subject of chronology) and get back to work...
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  Getting rid of the Book Study - a way to isolate the JW?

  by skeeter1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the book study meeting was cancelled a while back.

  the watch tower said that it was to provide for a family study night and high gas costs.

  hmmm.. i thought about the cancellation of the book study meeting after listening to another pastor discus his mega-churchs dependence on small circle groups.

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  Skeeter... very interesting perspective...

  KH meetings are held in rows not in circles... you're so right.

  I also think they wanted to eliminate the opportunities for questions after the meeting... I know there were plenty of questions from me and others after the second round with the red Apocalypse book...

  The GB knows very well that opportunities for these questions are quite limited a KH environment... after the service meeting, for example, elders are too busy counting money, grading talks, and talking shop amongst themselves to be bothered with questions they can't even answer. So JWs who are on the fence tend to feel intimidated and prefer to simply head for the exit than to wait for an elder to break free (from his idle conversation with other elites or whatever they're doing for jehovah)... INFORMATION CONTROL... very well orchestrated by the WT...
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  Koolaid-man: Are you receiving compensation from the WTBTS?

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rick: it's just a question... (if it's been asked before and you've already answered it, please disregard this post).

  the reason i ask this question is the following... if i were a member of the gb and i wanted to discredit the "apostate" community or make them appear to be "mentally deseased", i would start by approaching a well-known "apostate" like yourself and offer him significant compensation in exchange for his/her role in making unsubstantiated claims against the wt, posting pictures of 3-person demonstrations (calling them successful) and making up colorful characters like johnny the bethelite.

  i would also have him throw in the occasional false claim so that jws can easily say: "you see?

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  Rick: It's just a question... (if it's been asked before and you've already answered it, please disregard this post)

  The reason I ask this question is the following... If I were a member of the GB and I wanted to discredit the "apostate" community or make them appear to be "mentally deseased", I would start by approaching a well-known "apostate" like yourself and offer him significant compensation in exchange for his/her role in making unsubstantiated claims against the WT, posting pictures of 3-person demonstrations (calling them successful) and making up colorful characters like Johnny the Bethelite. I would also have him throw in the occasional false claim so that JWs can easily say: "You see? The GB is right. Apostates are evil liars who want to hurt God's people." Yeah, that's what I would do... and there would be plenty of money in it for any apostates willing to switch sides again.

  I'm not saying you are being paid by the WTBTS... I'm just asking a question...

  Looking forward to your response if you haven't already responded on a previous post.

  Thanks
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  Jehovah’s Witness denies sex charges

  by yalbmert99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovahs witness denies sex charges.

  tuesday, september 13, 2011. http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/jehovah_s_witness_denies_sex_charges_1_1020203.

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  Desirous... onvolving the police would bring reproach on jehovah's organization... can't have that... the parents might lose privileges and their status as exemplary JWs... this is clearly mor imoprtant than protecting their kids... heck, they'll get over it if they pary a lot and go to FS...
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  Watchtower Lobbyist

  by JHK in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  what is this?

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  thank you.. http://www.nyc.gov/lobbyistsearch/search;jsessionid=tvffrvp84jpxc85tqfqr5qfplcgnxltrb48svf08hflb8m4pc5pb!-594992774.

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  Alfred

  I think it might have to do with some shady business on 85 Jay Street...

  there are several articles dating back a few years on what the Watchtower may try do with this location (starting with greasing some palms of city planning commission officers)...
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  WTS Legal Dept: "Try to make your kids seem normal."

  by irondork in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just finished reading the segment on setting double standards from in search of christian freedom.

  franz gives as an example what is probably the most wanton display of in-your-face hypocrisy.. citing a brochure produced by the legal department designed to help witness parents in child custody battles:.

  this can be used to show that they are normal.

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  Alfred

  yeah... This is allowed under the Theocratic Warfare Act... make sure you beat up your kid in the Kingdom Hall's "back room" if you catch him doodling in their "My Book of Bible Stories" book during the meeting, then make him say he's allowed to play sports if they get questioned in a custody case... pretty standard stuff
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  1-year anniversary on this forum

  by Alfred in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wow!!!

  i've just noticed that i've been on this forum for a whole year... it's incredible how time flys after escaping the wt's control.... i don't really know what to say at a time like this... except that i have grown to appreciate all kinds of people and i have healed completely thanks to many of you on this forum (like dog patch, barbara, jw facts, terry, marvin shilmer, sizemik, mad sweeney, doug mason and many others that have escaped my memory).... and how can i forget to thank outlaw and punkofnice for adding their humor to it all.... anyway, thanks everyone... i'm a much better person today because of you and i appreciate it very much....

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  Alfred

  Wow!!! I've just noticed that I've been on this forum for a whole year... it's incredible how time flys after escaping the WT's control...

  I don't really know what to say at a time like this... except that I have grown to appreciate all kinds of people and i have healed completely thanks to many of you on this forum (like Dog patch, Barbara, JW facts, Terry, Marvin Shilmer, Sizemik, Mad Sweeney, Doug Mason and many others that have escaped my memory).... and how can I forget to thank Outlaw and Punkofnice for adding their humor to it all...

  Anyway, thanks everyone... I'm a much better person today because of you and I appreciate it very much...
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  Critique of the October 1 Watchtower article"When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed?"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my critique of the october 1, 2011 watchtower article "when was ancient jerusalem destroyed?

  http://www.jwstudies.com/critique_of_when_was_ancient_jerusalem_destroyed.pdf .

  i am looking forward to hearing of correction or omissions.. please note that this is a large file (almost 7 meg) which takes a while to download and a while to format in a web browser.. the design of the critique allows a single major topic to be individually printed, so that those pages may be handed to an apologist for the watchtower society.

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  Doug... excellent work... many thanks for taking the time to put it together.

  Last year I sent a letter to Brooklyn asking them to clarify which king the Jews were serving between 539 and 537... after 5 months I received a reply which completely dodged my question.

  Just prior to receiving their ambiguous response, I sent another letter drawing attention to a 1968 Watchtower article that lists the neo-babylonian kings. I never received a response to that one.

  But isn't it interesting how these 2 "public" articles (Oct 1 & Nov 1) about the date of Jerusalem's destruction actually "sandwich in" the Oct 15 Study Edition which contains a Questions From Readers discussion about what JWs should do when they have a question... in a nutshell, the Society has apparently decided that they are "no longer in a position to analyze or answer any questions that have not been considered in our literature"... I believe "Cedars" posted a thread recently about this...

  So any future letters to the Society asking about Neo-Babylonian chronology or Jerusalem's destruction will automatically receive a response referring the inquisitive JW to these two "public" articles... specific questions will likely not be answered either as they will simply ask the questioning JW to read these articles and find the answer there... if they still have questions or doubts, it will simply be because they are spiritually weak, puffed up with pride or just plain mentally deseased... they really have information control down to a science, don't they?
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  Elder School 2012 Letter

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  here is a (transcribed) letter that all elders received regarding the elder school of 2012. the emphasis is not mine.. this letter is your invitation to attend the school for congregation elders at the location and dates shown below:.

  please acknowledge receipt and acceptance of this invitation by completing and returning the enclosed confirmation form to the school for congregation elders desk using the enclosed pre-addressed envelope.

  this should be returned no more than two weeks after receipt of this letter.

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  Alfred

  "Your morning and evening meals will be your responsibility"

  I guess the out-of-town "window washers" will be going to McDonald's every night (except Thurs & Friday night, since they'll run out of money by then) while the few remaining affluent elders will be inviting one or two CO's to Ruth Chris so they can get special privileges in return... On Thurs & Friday night, the window washers will be outside Ruth Chris looking in with their noses pressed up against the restaurant windows, hoping to catch the CO's as they walk out after dining with the affluent elders...