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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

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  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  "Firstborn" means preeminent, as shown by the context of the very next verse.

  There's a separate Greek word which means "first created."

  Paul didn't use that word.
  
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  I always thought it strange that the WT claims that Jesus is Michael.

  John 1:1 doesn't say, "In the beginning was Michael, and Michael was with God, and Michael was a god."

  John 1:14 says that a heavenly person called "the Word" became flesh and dwelt among us.
  

  But in WT theology:

  1. Jesus wasn't an archangel in human flesh.

  2. What Michael and Jesus shared wasn't a personality, but rather an impersonal, animating life force analogous to electricity which powers various appliances.

  3. When Jesus was conceived in Mary's womb, Michael went out of existence as a heavenly personage.
  

  4. While on earth, Jesus was a perfect man like Adam, no more and no less.

  5. As a man, Jesus didn't have a separate soul or spirit that survived physical death.

  6. When he died, all of his personality, thoughts, and memories died with him.
  

  7. After the resurrection, Jehovah implanted Jesus' memories into the re-animated Michael.

  If all this is true, then in what sense was Jesus Michael and Michael Jesus?
  
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  Jude 9 says that Michael didn't dare rebuke Satan directly but left that to Jehovah.

  Yet, Jesus rebuked Satan directly many times (Matthew 4, Mark 8:33, for example).
  
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  What sort of people were the JW's who went to prison? Government study tells all

  by Terry in

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  2. friends

  do you feel a draft?

  (jw’s did-in the 1960s)i thought you might find it interesting to review exactly what the u.s. government thought, studied, and wrote about people of conscience during the vietnam war.what follows comes from official records…more than half of the 27 million men eligible for the draft during the vietnam war were deferred, exempted, or disqualified.

  (cortright, david (2008).

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  The GB required a lot of JWs to go to prison while they themselves lived like kings.
  
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  Does anyone have a photo copy they can share of a TMS topic?

  by jojorabbit in

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  2. bible

  i am looking for a tms that was published in the early 70s that said many have sold homes to go where the need was great, this is a fine way to spend ones time in the last days.

  i am trying to remember how it was said to the best of my knowledge but this is close.

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  Kingdom Ministry, May, 1974, p. 3 said, "Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end."

  HappyDad, TMS = Theocratic Ministry School.
  
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  Hello Everyone

  by JohnPaul in

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  2. friends

  hi everyone i would like to say hello to everyone,.

  i just started attending kingdom hall about a month ago now and am doing bible study with a brother..

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  Ding

  Welcome to the forum.

  Please examine all sides and study things out thoroughly before making a lifetime commitment.
  
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  Would a JW accused to be a murderer (in a judicial committee) be reported to the police?

  by psyco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am wondering if a jw accused to be a murderer (or any other serious crime except csa) in a judicial committee would be reported to the police.. if i sexually abused or molested a child, i would not be reported to the police.. what about if i killed a person: would i be instead?.

  it is not a matter of being right or wrong but i am only curious to know if there is at least a sort of coherence regarding the internal policies for serious crimes....

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  Great question! Unfortunately, I don't know the answer.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?

  let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.

  - venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.

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  Stay away from the internet because it's satanic.

  But direct everyone to jw dot org.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?

  let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.

  - venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.

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  Pyramid measurements (in inches, yet!) being relevant to Bible prophecy.

  Also, when Russell changed his date from 1874 to 1914, the pyramid passageway somehow grew 40 inches.
  
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  Memorial Weirdness

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  those of us with a watchtower background probably see the memorial as normal.. at least, we're used to it.. we can forget how weird it seems to an outsider.. it's like inviting a group out to dinner, having meals placed on the table, and then explaining to them why no one present should be partaking of any of it because it's really intended for someone else..

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  Those of us with a Watchtower background probably see the Memorial as normal.

  At least, we're used to it.

  We can forget how weird it seems to an outsider.

  It's like inviting a group out to dinner, having meals placed on the table, and then explaining to them why no one present should be partaking of any of it because it's really intended for someone else.