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  Hello Everyone

  by JohnPaul in

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  hi everyone i would like to say hello to everyone,.

  i just started attending kingdom hall about a month ago now and am doing bible study with a brother..

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  Ding

  Welcome to the forum.

  Please examine all sides and study things out thoroughly before making a lifetime commitment.
  
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  Would a JW accused to be a murderer (in a judicial committee) be reported to the police?

  by psyco in

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  i am wondering if a jw accused to be a murderer (or any other serious crime except csa) in a judicial committee would be reported to the police.. if i sexually abused or molested a child, i would not be reported to the police.. what about if i killed a person: would i be instead?.

  it is not a matter of being right or wrong but i am only curious to know if there is at least a sort of coherence regarding the internal policies for serious crimes....

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  Ding

  Great question! Unfortunately, I don't know the answer.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  do you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?

  let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.

  - venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.

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  Ding

  Stay away from the internet because it's satanic.

  But direct everyone to jw dot org.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  do you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?

  let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.

  - venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.

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  Ding

  Pyramid measurements (in inches, yet!) being relevant to Bible prophecy.

  Also, when Russell changed his date from 1874 to 1914, the pyramid passageway somehow grew 40 inches.
  
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  Memorial Weirdness

  by Ding in

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  those of us with a watchtower background probably see the memorial as normal.. at least, we're used to it.. we can forget how weird it seems to an outsider.. it's like inviting a group out to dinner, having meals placed on the table, and then explaining to them why no one present should be partaking of any of it because it's really intended for someone else..

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  Ding

  Those of us with a Watchtower background probably see the Memorial as normal.

  At least, we're used to it.

  We can forget how weird it seems to an outsider.

  It's like inviting a group out to dinner, having meals placed on the table, and then explaining to them why no one present should be partaking of any of it because it's really intended for someone else.
  
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  Rutherford Exposed: The Story of Berta and Bonnie (redux)

  by Leolaia in

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  in september 2004, farkel posted an article on this forum called "rutherford exposed: the story of berta and bonnie.

  " his essay, which subsequently was translated into several languages and which received over 10,000 views after the first month, spawned a thread that ran 28 pages and contained the collaborative research efforts of many in jwd.

  this thread was thought by some moderators to be the best in the forum -- not necessarily because of the claims in the original essay but because it inspired a staggering amount of research aimed at assessing the credibility of the claims made in the essay, as well as adding to our knowledge of this fascinating yet obscure chapter of watchtower history.

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  Ding

  I thought for a moment that Leolaia had returned.

  Then I saw the date.

  Too bad.

  She always posted interesting stuff.
  
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  I'm Back--Blondie

  by blondie in

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  yes, i am posting again.

  i could not for awhile technologically and it is now fixed thanks to simon.

  thanks, simon!

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  Ding

  Welcome back, Blondie!

  Glad to hear from you again!
  
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  Jw's sending me invites and letters, I don't get it.

  by Foolednomore in

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  first off, i have made it real clear with jw's my thoughts on being a jw.

  i'm out, there is no coming back.. second, i'm on their " do not call list" .. so why now all of a sudden my mailbox is getting bombed 💣 by their memorial invites and letters?.

  don't they follow their do not call list?

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  Ding

  Counting time...
  
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  Criminal Cases and Lawsuits Involving WT Coverup of Pedophilia

  by Ding in

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  in criminal cases and civil lawsuits against the wt and its elders for failing to report pedophilia, the defense almost always argues that the elders should enjoy the benefit of the clergy-penitent confidentiality protections of the law.of course, we know that the wt has for many years prided itself on not having a "clergy class," but prosecutors and plaintiffs' lawyers are often unaware of that.. if you find out about a case in your area, you might get ahold of the prosecutor or plantiff's lawyer and share with them wt literature such as the april 1, 1981 watchtower (p. 15): "interestingly, jehovah’s witnesses have for years followed the direction of the founder of christianity that 'all you are brothers,' and have no clergy class among them.".

  you might also share with them this article from the april 8, 1993 awake, p. 31:.

  victims of pedophile priests speak out.

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  Ding

  In criminal cases and civil lawsuits against the WT and its elders for failing to report pedophilia, the defense almost always argues that the elders should enjoy the benefit of the clergy-penitent confidentiality protections of the law.
  
  Of course, we know that the WT has for many years prided itself on not having a "clergy class," but prosecutors and plaintiffs' lawyers are often unaware of that.

  If you find out about a case in your area, you might get ahold of the prosecutor or plantiff's lawyer and share with them WT literature such as the April 1, 1981 Watchtower (p. 15): "Interestingly, Jehovah’s Witnesses have for years followed the direction of the Founder of Christianity that 'all you are brothers,' and have no clergy class among them."

  You might also share with them this article from the April 8, 1993 Awake, p. 31:

  Victims of Pedophile Priests Speak Out

  “DURING the past decade, some 400 Roman Catholic priests have been reported to church or civil authorities for sexual abuse of children,” according to U.S.News & World Report. Recently, a national gathering of survivors of such abuse was held near Chicago, Illinois. Many spoke openly of how they had been victimized by pedophile priests.

  But NCR (National Catholic Reporter) notes that speakers sounded another theme repeatedly throughout the conference: “The first abuse is sexual; the second and more painful, is psychological.” This second abuse occurs when the church refuses to listen to victims of abuse, fails to take their accusations seriously, and moves only to protect the offending priests. “Fairly or unfairly,” NCR reports, “they portrayed Catholic clergy as belonging to an unhealthy and misguided group more bent on preserving privilege and power than in serving lay needs.” Several speakers made ominous comparisons to the Reformation, which split the church wide open in the 16th century.
  

  According to Richard Sipe, a former priest turned psychotherapist and expert on sexual abuse by Catholic clergy, all this institutional denial reveals “a deep, desperate and knowing personal involvement in the problem.” He added: “The church knows and has known for a long time a great deal about the sexual activity of its priests. It has looked the other way, tolerated, covered up and simply lied about the broad spectrum of sexual activity of its priests.”
  

  Not surprisingly, then, many abuse survivors are suing the church. NCR quotes one attorney who specializes in such cases as saying that there are pedophile-priest cases in each of the church’s 188 dioceses in the United States. He says that out-of-court settlements have run as high as $300,000 per case. U.S.News & World Report says that such suits have already cost the church $400,000,000, a figure that could surge to $1 billion by the year 2000. And the Canadian Press reported recently that some 2,000 survivors of childhood sexual abuse in 22 church-run orphanages and mental institutions in Quebec are suing six religious orders for $1.4 billion in damages.
  

  Interestingly, though, the aforementioned U.S. attorney, who represents 150 victims of pedophile priests in 23 states, says that he has never yet had a client who was eager to go to court. Each one first tried to seek justice “within the pastoral context of the church.” NCR concludes: “Survivors go to the courts, it appears, not as a first resort, but as a last resort.”
  
  
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  I have changed a bit

  by Lee Marsh in

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  for one thing i am older.

  this is what i look like now or at least on jan 1, 2022.. .

  yes, 69 years old.. i moved once.

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  Ding

  Thanks, Dagney. Randy helped a lot of people after he left the WT. I, too, hope he is doing well.