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  Post your experiance with JWs who did not save for retirement and had to work or live off off SS till death

  by wolverines in

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  but one i remember was a full on dyed in the wool believer how was a farmer.

  around 1975 he sold his farm moved his family to a very rural place and waited for the end to come.

  he ended up working for his brother in law hanging drywall.

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  You're "spiritually weak" if you don't wholeheartedly buy into the latest false prophecy.

  So you give up your home, your job, and your savings so you can go where the need is greatest and pioneer.

  But after the prophecy fails and you're left without a job, without adequate insurance, without savings, and without retirement income, the whole thing was YOUR idea and YOUR failed expectations.

  You're at fault for running ahead of Jehovah's chariot.

  And now you're in danger of becoming an apostate if you entertain forbidden thoughts that the GB was at fault.

  The false date, the hype, and the exhortations to give up everything to focus your entire life on field service right before the end of this wicked system of things were "merely an expressed opinion." (Rutherford, 1926)
  

  "In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: 'If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.' In saying 'anyone,' The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date." (WT, March 15, 1980, pp. 17-18)

  "...persons having to do with the publication of the information..."

  This is probably as close as the WT will ever get to saying, "The GB's understanding was based on false premises. They believed their own hype and led many sincere JWs to financial ruin."
  
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  Post your experiance with JWs who did not save for retirement and had to work or live off off SS till death

  by wolverines in

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  but one i remember was a full on dyed in the wool believer how was a farmer.

  around 1975 he sold his farm moved his family to a very rural place and waited for the end to come.

  he ended up working for his brother in law hanging drywall.

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  This thread is a good reminder of the devastating consequences the GB's erroneous teachings and policies can have on the people who trust them the most.
  
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  Useing unhealthy fear to force people to obey.

  by Yomama in

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  fear of being shunned.

  do you have any stories?.

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  The whole WT system is driven by fear, especially JWs' fears of not proving worthy even after years of dedicated service.

  Faithful for so long and now maybe blowing it right before Armageddon...

  Obey, obey, obey!
  
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  Just wanting confirmation on an unofficial JW experience

  by joe134cd in

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  just wondering if anyone can confirm or deny this unofficial jw experience that my father received by email.

  i’ve told him that it against wt rules to forward unofficial accounts.

  but of course he just puts that down to apostate driven lies.

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  It reminds me of those little "at the door" skits at the KH where the householder listens with rapt attention to the whole spiel and then cheerfully thanks the dubs for coming and bringing her the message.

  Never once did they tell the JWs to get lost and slam the door shut.
  
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  Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

  by BluesBrother in

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  it is a challenge next sunday for them .

  due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).

  this article makes a grand claim in par 2.

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  Even after promoting more false prophetic dates than anyone else I know of, they still can't resist telling us all what we should believe about Bible prophecy.
  
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  Letter writing question

  by carla in

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  so the jw's are no longer goind d2d but instead are writing letters- my question is what return address are they putting on the letters?

  their own or the kh?

  the kh's in our area have no mailbox and therefore no mail can be delivered or returned to a kh.. thanks in advance!.

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  I thought independence of the organization was evil.

  It's just the opposite as far as the borg's lawyers are concerned.

  In the event of a lawsuit (such as the Conti case), the GB wants the local JWs to be seen as independent volunteers rather than as agents of the organization.

  Allowing publishers to write letters using the Society's address would be seen as evidence that they are acting as agents of the organization in what they do.

  Can't have that!

  The whole thing is ironic and hypocritical, given the vast control the GB exercises over Witnesses' lives: "Do everything we tell you to do the way we tell you to do it, but if you get into trouble doing it, you're on your own because you're just an independent volunteer."
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  Unique Words and Expressions Of Jehovah’s Witnesses

  by minimus in

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  system of things comes to mind.

  what does that mean to anyone not a jw?.

  how long have you been in the truth?

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  Jehovah

  ...mentioned 14 times in a 25 word prayer...
  
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  Bringing Reproach on Jehovah's Name

  by cofty in

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  all my jw life i was reminded constantly about the importance of not bringing reproach on jehovah's name.

  decisions on whether or not to disfellowship an individual often turned, not on the seriousness of the sin, but on whether the incident was public knowledge and had resulted in bad publicity for the congregation.

  i recall a middle-aged lady being reported to the elders for shoplifting a sweet worth less than £1- and the elders' insistence that a judicial committee must be formed because the store manager and staff knew that she was a jw (i successfully argued that all she needed was support for her dreadful family life, but that's another story).

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  When the organization is hated because of organizational policies and practices, that's categorized as persecution by the world rather than as bringing reproach on the name of Jehovah.

  Massive double standard...
  
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  Remember this

  by James Jack in

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  this was my elder bag.

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  I believe Walter Martin used to refer to those bags as "a portable ammunition dump of Watchtower theology."
  
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  Expectation vs Reality

  by joey jojo in

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  just wanted to put this out there for any lurkers.. as someone that grew up during the 70s and 80s, we were promised that we would be in the first picture long ago.

  if you are still on the fence, please let this sink in for a while..

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  Can you imagine what the GB meeting must have been like when someone first proposed the overlapping generations idea?