another of my rants.... .
why am i still scared when i read something that the jw's have written?
why does it still upset me to read jw literature?
Hi LoveTTATT, As some other posters have written (or alluded to), you may need to either see a psychologist or attend group therapy sessions to use psychological regression techniques to overcome your WTBTS's induced phobias.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
could this be the home run swing when it comes to waking up a spouse?
could it work?
yesterday i was checking out this website http://howcultswork.com/.
Hi BU2B, That website might awaken JWs, who are "Spiritually Weak" (still thinking) and probably would not awaken a "Spiritually Strong" (non-thinking) JW. Asking JWs simple questions to understand what motivates them will help a lot to plan how to help them to critically think for themselves.
It depends a lot on why a JW believes in the WTBTS. Does a JW suffer from an incurable disease/disorder/deformity and believes they will be cured after the Big A? Does a JW want to see a loved one in paradise? Does a JW have a close circle of conditional JW friends and family who they are afraid to lose? Does a JW work for a JW boss? What doubts does a JW have about the WTBTS? Has a JW been treated badly by elders and other JWs? Etc.
Helping a JW to critically think for themselves and showing them how much fun they can have away from WTBTS takes time and will probably have a higher success rate than a JW only visiting a website. JWs absolutely trust what the WTBTS writes and the WTBTS writes that a cult must be lead by one man only and not eight, therefore the WTBTS is not a cult.
Even ex-JW apologists after 20 years will say that the WTBTS is not a dangerous cult. I know this because I know someone who said the WTBTS was not a cult to me. I just wasn't quick thinking enough to say, "You are right that they are not a religious cult, but they are a dangerous cult. If you say they are not a dangerous cult without knowing what attributes a dangerous cult has, then you are proving that I am right that the WTBTS is a dangerous cult. If you want to learn more about what a dangerous cult is, please visit www.freedomofmind.com."
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i am sure that this has already been discussed, so maybe someone could direct me to the correct link.
i just haven't been able to access this site as often as i would like.
at the meeting tonight (i wasn't there but was told about it), the brothers were told to pack up a "survival kit" with enough provisions to last for six months - water, medications etc.
SloppyJoe - People were murdering over a bottle of water they were so desperate when Katrina hit.
What doe the WTBTS recommend to JWs when someone else wants their survival bag and is prepared to take it by force? Wait on Jehovah?
Considering that the WTBTS is promoting maintaining a survival bag, I am suspicious of their motives. To me it sounds like a way to increase the fear of JWs instead of a true concern for their well-being. JWs would be better prepared by visiting the following website instead of listening to the WTBTS about creating a survival bag: http://www.ready.gov/are-you-ready-guide
BTW a go-bag refers to bags that military and emergency response members keep filled with clothes and toiletries in case they are deployed ASAP.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
looking for feedback.
to bring you all back up to speed, wife is ex-jw.
shunned by her brother and parts of her family at uncles jw funeral.
Hi mrhhome, What does your wife feel about your letter? Although you defended her to her brother, it is her side of the family and she may have a different plan.
BTW your letter was very well written and might have a positive affect on a non-JW. A JW's cult persona on the other hand would dismiss your letter, because they feel they are superior to non-JWs.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
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i know....i'm new to this set up.
apologies for being a dumbo.
Hi quellycatface, Dangerous cults want to keep their members, so leaders of dangerous cults instruct their members to avoid bad associations with non-members and ex-members. You don't have to follow what the GB teaches JWs to do, but if you don't be prepared to be marked/shunned yourself.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
has anyone seen this post on facebook?
the comments below it are staggering!
so many suffering from depression... along with the few judgementalists.
I wonder how many JWs (and other dangerous cults) had/have a psychosomatic disorder and/or take depression medication compared to non-members? I know a JW who after receiving treatment commented how funny (in a weird way) it was that her mind could cause her physical pain. I asked her what she felt was causing her mind to cause her physical disorder. She didn't want to tell me.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
first i made love to my wife, maybe i'm better in bed then i thought, because about an hour after that my wife comes back in and i'm sitting at my desk and i asked her, "when the elders df me are you going to leave me, spiritual endangerment and all" she said, no, i don't feel endangered and we talked awhile and i talked about da ing and not sure what to do, then i shared with her a toned down version of the da letter that i posted and that led to her asking about my beliefs and understandings of who the great crowd and 144k, heaven and earthly hopes.
i was even able to tell her how they changed or distorted the meaning of the word naos to show the great crowd not in heaven.
i was able to show her some of the scriptures from the da letter, able to tell her a little about 1914 and how jesus did'nt invisably come in a presence, showing her scriptures on that and some more ttatt.
Hi Crazyguy, I'm glad that you were able to discover one way to release your wife's authentic persona. DITTO what Black Sheep wrote about helping your wife to critically think for herself and not thinking for her.
Have you thought about revising your DA'ing letter to include a paragraph about warning the elders not to contact your wife without you being present? Maybe playing the headship, slander, warning them you will be recording all conversations with elders, and litigation cards may help you.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i've been lurking for a while,but figured i'd introduce myself.
i was born in, and i'm 30 years old.
it's hard to just read as a guest, and not share with anyone eventually.
Welcome offgrid5150, Thirty is pretty young. What are your plans now? Are you going to attend a university? Do you have/want kids?
I hope that you post on JWN frequently so that you can vent your emotions as well as ask advice to help your wife to critically think for herself. At least you have heard of Steve Hassan, so I hope that you have read his books or watched his videos to help you.
Best of wishes helping your JW family and friends to critically think for themselves.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
so the impending doom of the end is coming and i will not be df'd so they can tell others i sinned or something else.
i will da, but not sure what to expect next and what they will say to my family and children.
i have 5 kids one baptised and ofcourse a wife, so what should i prepare for??
Hi Crazyguy, It sounds like you should avoid the elders at all cost. How about a family vacation to someplace nice? The tropics are expensive and beautiful this time of year, so you may be able to romance your wife to love you more than the WTBTS.
Have you started a bible study night with your family? You can use the bible study as a way of helping your wife and children to critically think for themselves. If you haven't read Steve Hassan's books yet, I would order "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs" in an e-book format ASAP. You might also be able to save your marriage by calling Steve Hassan and talking to him or one of his coaches about what you should do ASAP. You can find Steve Hassan's phone number on his website www.freedomofmind.com.
Best of wishes fading from the WTBTS with your family,
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
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had this conversion with my dad earlier today, hes an elder...both my parents were laid off during the recession, however, they saved and lived a decent life.
You are blessed Kool Jo. Your Dad sounds like an ideal non-JW Dad.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
