ianao,
i meant that people who didn't just fade away make an impact. i realize for ex. that ray franz didn't send in a DA letter but i do believe he resigned and later DF'd. he didn't just fade away he wrote a book. on web sites there are some and i cannot give names because i no longer remember them but they did openly use their name and they told their story. one inpaticular was an overseer. he also started to see where beliefs were not in harmony with the scriptures and bravely and openly expressed that. he didn't just meekly fade away. i think they DF'd him and his wife as well. in my own congregation a sister sent in a DA letter and later they announced it. yes it did impact me. i thought how could anyone leave Jehovah. later when my own doubts surfaced i thought of her , what does she know?? i wanted to call her but i didn't remember her name. she was an infrequent meeting attender and this was a new hall to me when she DA'd herself. those that have NOT faded away have been of help to me. jurs
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19Should I Do It ??? I Think I Will.
by Big Jim ini have been working on my letter to our local congregation to dis-associate myself.. since my wife is still very active in the non-truth and she also insist that i write this letter, i believe i will take her congregation address and telephone list and send my letter with all the facts about the wbts history of lies and send everyone in the congregation my letter via certified mail.
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it would probally set me back a few hundred bucks but i think it would be well worth it, what do you think??
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Should I Do It ??? I Think I Will.
by Big Jim ini have been working on my letter to our local congregation to dis-associate myself.. since my wife is still very active in the non-truth and she also insist that i write this letter, i believe i will take her congregation address and telephone list and send my letter with all the facts about the wbts history of lies and send everyone in the congregation my letter via certified mail.
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it would probally set me back a few hundred bucks but i think it would be well worth it, what do you think??
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i don't understand the encouragement to fade away. sure if you have family that will shun you i totally understand but not for any other reason. what if everyone felt that way. so many of us read or are reading ray franz's book crisis of conscience. what if he just faded away. all the information would have just faded with him. i finds it to be a selfish, cowardly and dishonest approach. again i clarify if thereis family involved in the org. i would strongly rethink such a move. i personally wouldn't risk it if it involved loosing my kids. but not to because of the above reasons of it makes things easier for them i just don't buy. its easy for them regaurdless of wether to send the letter or not. its easy for them to label and shun you. its not about that. its about standing up and saying this is crap!! imagine if everyone was honest and didn't just fade away. do you think it would have any impact?? i do. i can think of just a few that did stand up and yes it had an impact!!! i think its the right thing to do......jurs
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Should I Do It ??? I Think I Will.
by Big Jim ini have been working on my letter to our local congregation to dis-associate myself.. since my wife is still very active in the non-truth and she also insist that i write this letter, i believe i will take her congregation address and telephone list and send my letter with all the facts about the wbts history of lies and send everyone in the congregation my letter via certified mail.
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it would probally set me back a few hundred bucks but i think it would be well worth it, what do you think??
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hi Big Jim,
i think u should do it only if your sure and only if your willing to accept the consequences. think it through carefully and pray about it. i wrote one and i'm VERY glad i did. it fits my personality to do so. i went into the organization loudly declaring to all it was the truth and i'm leaving in the same manner, loudly. i feel strongly that it is the right way to go about it. you don't sound so sure. do it only if you know its what u need to do....jurs -
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Were You Really HAPPY in the borg.???
by Latte inwhen you were in the borg.
in all honesty, could you say that you were h.a.p.p.y?
i mean really happy.
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no!!! like RHW i felt guilty about everything. sometimes i would even think about leaving so i could enjoy life a little and just be destroyed. but i didn't because i was a mother and the only JW in my family and i thought it wouldn't be fair to my kids that i take them away from Jehovah. also my prayers were like reruns always telling Jehovah i was sorry for not doing eneough !!!! jurs
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sister says prayer with elders !!!!!
by jurs inthis friday the elders are coming over to discuss my da letter.
i keep studying and thinking of what i want to say.
i'm sure they'll open with a prayer.
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humble, you said "apostates say cow dung is good." its not cow dung . apostate literature exposes the organization. it gives the reader food for thought ss they can make a more informed decision as to wether this religion is actually the mouthpiece of God. much of the information can be researched as to wether its valid or not. it smells bad to some because they are afraid of it. they may find out that something they believed in so strongly was false. initially it's devastating to find out that the sacrifices were for NOTHING. it was never in Jehovcah's heart. the Guilt for taking away so much from your children simply because one didn't do their homework!!!!! Your wrong Humble (interesting name) it doesnt smell good at first ,it hurts!!! but then the truth does set you free. free to move on with your life. free to worship God and not an organization.....jurs
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sister says prayer with elders !!!!!
by jurs inthis friday the elders are coming over to discuss my da letter.
i keep studying and thinking of what i want to say.
i'm sure they'll open with a prayer.
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i think you are misunderstanding why i want to meet with them and was happy when the elder called to meet with me. this is one of the few chances i'll get to expose what i believe to be religion full of crap and a destructive one at that. perhaps i'm a little dramatic but it appeals to me to be DA'd because its worse !!! it also appeals to me that if i get the reputation in the hall that i'm an apostate---- GOOD! i am. its honest. i think when someone is DF'd poeple tend to think it was because of a wrongdoing. a DA on the otherhand sends the message that they don't believe anymore. i think many witnesses are curious about apostate literature and why reading it would turn someone away. if more people DA'd themselves rather than quietly slipping out i think it would make people wonder what do they know that i don't and why is the society so afraid that we read it. ( i do understand circumstances don't allow many to do so because they would be shunned) but those that won't be affected by shunning i feel should LOUDLY leave. i feel this for a variety of reasons.
1. if someone else in the hall is doubting they might secretly call me. ( i say this because i could see myself doing that.)
2. i believe it makes people wonder and think more.
3. if you have children (i do) it sets a great example of standing up for what you believe in. they were ridiculed at school for their belifs ,itss the least i can do to stand up and if i take a little heat ,oh well its not much compared to what i put my kids through.
4. i wan't to be vocal so as to help someone BEFORE they study. i tell as many as i can about how i WAS a JW and why i no longer am. people are quite curious i am finding out..
i don't expect to help these elders see it as a cult but i'll feel better knowing i tried.
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sister says prayer with elders !!!!!
by jurs inthis friday the elders are coming over to discuss my da letter.
i keep studying and thinking of what i want to say.
i'm sure they'll open with a prayer.
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hi all,
this friday the elders are coming over to discuss my DA letter. i keep studying and thinking of what i want to say. i'm sure they'll open with a prayer. i am a big believer in prayer and i think after i respectfully wait for them to finish their prayer that i will then say my own prayer. its my house , why shouldn't i??? why is it not proper for a sister to say the prayer if an elder is present. and i have no intention of wearing a head covering!!!! i think Jehovah will hear my prayer with out the silly rules.....jurs -
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I confess!
by noidea ini'm here to confess.
i've been lurking for some time now.
i have allot of mixed feelings mostly feelings of loss.
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welcome noidea,
i think you'll like it here. i'm also a 34 year old female. this board will give you the freedom to express what you really think, something that most of lacked before.
glad your here,
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Please Respond To Survey! 25 more needed please.
by Big Jim init seems like to me the majority of people who are in the truth, are were in the truth was a result of either a family member are a friend witnessing to them and not many seem to have been found in the door to door work.. from my years of associating with the borg i cannot recall many coming in the truth from the door to door work.. how were you sucked in?
for me it was my aunt who has now even though i am not disfellowshipped decided to write me out of her will to the tune of about $150,000.00 (maybe i should hang around a couple more years)dont think i will.. please respond .
thanks.
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i was found at the door !!!! i had no knowledge of the bible but wanted to learn about God. i never intended to ever join i just wanted to learn. it took 2 1/2 years of studying (brainwashing) before i got baptized. i felt that i must be very special and HUMBLE that Jehovah directed an angel to my door. i guess it made me feel superior to others. look how humble i am , most the world wont listen but i did. at first i didn't agree with alot of what i was learning but the pioneer was persistant and when i started getting "opposed" for studying i thought this must be the truth. i was never persecuted for being Catholic. it never dawned on me that my family and friends were just concerned and worried. jurs
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Supplement to Justice #15 - Parking Lot
by Amazing inhellow everyone: there were a number of responses to justice #15 about the parking lot dfing.
i decided to make a new post to deal with these related but different issues.. first, the purpose of the post was not so much about rushing to judgment, but to show that the process is flawed, and the reflective question at the end shows that i was disturbed as to why we allowed these events to develop the way we do, especially over matters that really are not all that serious.. second, your follow-up comments also bring out some good additional concerns.
i will address those that seem to be of greatest concern.
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hi amazing,
i think its cool how you share your experiences. it helps many of us regular JW's see a little of what went on behind the scenes of being an elder. i use to strongly believe that elders were appointed by holy spirit. i trusted the organization completely. i do want to say that i think you are more than a little to hard on yourself. i understand that because of your position you played a role in D'Fing D'Aing people but you were a member of a CULT. i can't believe the crap i use to believe. i would have shunned my own flesh and blood . thank god i was never in that situation but i know that i probably would have. every single one of us is probably ashamed of something we did out of loyalty to the organization. you were just a sheep doing what you were conditioned to do. jurs