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  Jehovah's Witness Mother Ends Relationship With Atheist Son

  by Bangalore in

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  jehovah's witness mother ends relationship with atheist son.source http://lefthemispheres.blogspot.ca/2012/06/letter-jehovahs-witness-mother-ends.htmlhttp://davetrash.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/the-letter/.

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  bangalore.

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  MrFreeze

  What a sad letter... that's all I can really say about it.
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  Maybe the most beautiful city in the world

  by DJS in

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  i have been to frejus, cannes, st. tropez and san rafael (maybe the most beautiful city in the world - no wait that would be cannes, or san tropez).

  i traveled the coastal highway one day from s. of hyeres to monte carlo.

  breathtaking.

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  MrFreeze

  Depends on your definition of beautiful. I thought Stockholm was a very beautiful city.
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  A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

  by Londo111 in

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  this is the main series playlist:.

  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

  this is the accompanying video appendix:.

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  MrFreeze

  The WT believes there is more than one Nabonidus. It's how they justify the extra years to reach 607. If you can't grasp what I was saying than clearly the whole concept and subject might be a little bit beyond you.
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  "UFO Coverup Must End"

  by metatron in

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  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-16/ufo-cover-ups-must-end-moonwalker-edgar-mitchell-says.html.

  edgar mitchell is the 6th man to walk on the moon and he believes in ets, roswell, etc.

  this news is a bit dated.

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  MrFreeze

  If there really is some advanced race of aliens why would they want to come to earth? There's no signs of intelligent life to be found.
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  A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the main series playlist:.

  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

  this is the accompanying video appendix:.

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  MrFreeze

  scholar, you haven't responded to me yet. You said to keep it simple (I thought what I wrote was pretty simple). Can you prove (without WT references) that there are two Nabonidus' that served as king back to back for 36 years? If not, then you can't really justify the WT viewpoint unless you are bad at math.
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  A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the main series playlist:.

  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

  this is the accompanying video appendix:.

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  MrFreeze

  You see, I had it all simply lined out but lost my work. I have to say, what I've written above is plenty simple. If you can provide historical proof (not out of the WT) that there were two kings named Nabonidus that ruled back-to-back before Babylon fell, then go for it.

  If you add up all the kings from 539 using WT chronology (minus the additional random 19 years of a second Nabonidus that the WT throws in with no proof) then the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar's reign falls on 587. Math really isn't that hard.
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  WARNING and SAVING PEOPLE so that they aren't destroyed...is....ILLOGICAL

  by Terry in

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  think of all the anxious souls who barely escaped the end of 6,000 years of human existence in 1975. they were saved!.

  saved from.... what?.

  who were trying to save them?

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  MrFreeze

  The whole point of Terry's post (this is what I got out of it anyway) is that for every day Jehovah doesn't bring Armageddon, he is just adding more and more bodies onto the pile. 7 million Witnesses and 7 billion people in the world. For every 1 person that Jehovah saves by delaying Armageddon, 1000 more have to die.

  Also, if death at Armageddon is dependent on rejecting the warning (as JW's will often claim), then wouldn't we be bloodguilty for not leaving people ignorant? If we hadn't warned them, they wouldn't have died!
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  Scriptural list of gods anger?

  by iCeltic in

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  can anyone point me in the right direction, a good descriptive list of gods anger, genocide, vengeance and general things that we would view as bad and the scriptures next to it to show where these things are in the bible?.

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  MrFreeze

  Cold Steel, according to the Bible the Israelites stole the land from the Canaanites. What would you do if another nation just suddenly moved into your land?
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  New to studies Thank You

  by mysticalwolf40 in

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  i am fairly new to learning the truth with jehovah's witnesses.

  we have been having 2 home bible studies a week for over 4 months now and we started going to the kingdom hall 3+ months now.

  i am enjoying my studies and the brothers and sisters are wonderful .

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  MrFreeze

  Please research the Jehovah's Witnesses before you get too far along. Be well-educated. The JW's will leave a lot out in their studies. Please check out www.jwfacts.com
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  A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the main series playlist:.

  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

  this is the accompanying video appendix:.

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  MrFreeze

  Unfortunately, the research I had done which was neatly laid out was on a HDD that died on me last year. From what I can remember the historical list of kings are:

  Nebuchadnezzar (ruled 43 years)

  Evil-merodach (ruled 2 years)

  Neriglissar (ruled 4 years)

  Labashi-Marduk (ruled 9 months)

  Nabonidus (ruled 17 years)

  Counting back from 539 this leads us to Nebuchadnezzar starting his rule in 606.

  The following quotes have the WT admitting that Nabonidus ruled 17 years(the ruler they put into question as there being two Nabonidus'):

  "Other investigators say this: "The Nabunaid Chronicle . . . states that Sippar fell to Persian forces VII/14/17 [Footnotes]"VII/14/17": The 7th Hebrew month Tishri, 14th day, 17th year of Nabonidus' reign . (Oct. 10, 539), that Babylon fell VII/16/17 (Oct. 12), and that Cyrus entered Babylon VIII/3/17 (Oct. 29). This fixes the end of Nabunaid's reign and the beginning of the reign of Cyrus." Watchtower 1968 August 15 p. 491

  "Last supreme monarch of the Babylonian Empire; father of Belshazzar. On the basis of cuneiform texts he is believed to have ruled some 17 years (556-539 B.C.E.). He was given to literature, art, and religion. Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 p.457 Nabonidus

  The WT has to follow up with their faulty timeline by saying there were actually two Nabonidus'. There was one that ruled over a city 8 years into Nebuchadnezzars reign (and eventually was ruler of Babylon). WT timeline puts it at 616 to fit their timeline meaning he would have been way too old to rule a city back in 616 and still be ruling at 539 so they had to invent another Nabonidus for which there is no historical record whatsoever. They know that Nabonidus ruled directly after Labashi-Marduk and that there was a Nabonidus ruling when Babylon fell. So that must mean there are TWO of them since he would have been too old to have been ruling Babylon when it fell. To quote them:

  "Cuneiform tablets of the eighth year of Nebuchadnezzar (Nisan 617-Nisan 616 B.C.E.) list a certain Nabu-na´id as the one "who is over the city," and some historians believe this is the same Nabonidus who later became king. However, this would mean that Nabonidus was a very young man when placed in such administrative position and would make him extremely aged at the fall of Babylon, some 77 years later (539 B.C.E.)." Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 p.457 Nabonidus"

  Of course there is no need for a second Nabonidus if you go by ACTUAL history. They attribute 36 years to the two kings... without any shred of historical evidence to back it up except that it is the only way their absurd timeline fits.