Posts by ambersun

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Baptism at 10 years of age! March 2017 broadcast

by stuckinarut2 in

(i wanted to put this in the child abuse section of the forum!).

we have seen that during the march 2017 broadcast, m stephen lett has openly praised children who get baptised as young as 10!.

so lets summarize why it is wrong to push child baptism (not far off "infant baptism" that jws condemn other churches for).

ambersun

what happened to Jesus was baptized at 30 and following him as a model closely?

Exactly what I was thinking Awakenednow!

Even in those crazy years leading up to 1975 when we youngsters were being told that Armageddon would come before we had a chance to finish college, and families were selling their homes in order to devote the remaining years in this system to pioneering, it was still very rare to see a child get baptised, and if it happened it was frowned upon by older members of the congregation for that very reason that they were too young to know what they were doing. Mid teens seemed to be considered quite young enough for such a huge commitment.

How long will it be before we see a video of Sophia and Caleb getting baptised I wonder?

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What is the basis for advising “Don’t pursue higher studies”?

by venus in

two elders who visited my friend last week encouraged her not to pursue higher studies.

it seems they are dishing out the same old stuff: “the end is imminent, and this is the time to do more in the service; hence don’t waste your resources on higher studies.”.

i wonder whether there was some official communiqué (something that is sent out recently like letter to the elders, or kingdom ministry article …).

ambersun

i watched a video of Anthony Morris III giving a talk warning parents that they shouldn't let their kids go to college because the students are taught philosophy which wakes them up to TTATT

He gave an example of a woman moaning to him that her son no longer wanted to be a JW since going to college, and AMIII had no sympathy for her, as "she was the one who had dropped him off there".

There you have it, plain and simple, keep them away from higher education or they WILL wake up to TTATT.

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JWs Like to Take Away Hope...

by JW_Rogue in

i think the worst thing about jws is that they like to take away peoples realistic hopes for a happy life now and replace it with false hope for the future.

tell a jw you want to go college and get a good career and they'll tell you that college is a waste of time, that you'll end up in debt or that the economy is so bad there are no jobs.

tell a jw about how scientists have discovered a new technology that could improve millions of lives and they'll tell you that scientists and technology have "ruined the earth" and cannot be trusted.

ambersun

So they take away people's hope in anything that can realistically happen through man's effort and replace it with just waiting for God to make everything perfect. For JWs if it is not a perfect solution then there is no need to even care about it.

So true. Just sit back and "wait on Jehovah" to provide the solution to all the suffering in the world.

In the meantime, we will waste our REAL lives just dreaming about all the careers and hobbies we intend to do in the New System.

Then one day we wake up to TTATT and realise what has actually happened.

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"Look what you made me do to you"

by Zoos in

this line used by abusive spouses and governing bodies who mandate shunning:.

look what you made me do to you...".

it's got a bit of a history (according to the bible).

ambersun

Great observation Zoos.

God has proved himself to be a master at throwing his dummy out of the pram when things don't go his way. Every childish tantrum thrown by God throughout the Bible, and all the suffering resulting from these hissy fits has ALWAYS been someone else's fault, never his own, even though he is supposedly the all powerful, super intellectual creator of all things living and inanimate. How did all the imperfections in mankind come into being in the first place if God didn't put them there?

Therefore, it only follows that his loyal subjects will use the same line of reasoning to excuse all their own hissy fits when they don't get their own way.

Yes, all you children who refuse to dedicate your entire lives to a controlling organisation and get kicked out and shunned by your family, left to fend for yourselves, you deserve all you get! Anything that happens to you as a result of "keeping the congregation clean" is entirely your own fault as you made us do it to you

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Convention program 2017 AM3

by George One Time in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/convention-program-2017/friday/.

why would our beloved gb member be on the top picture of the program?.

any ideas?.

ambersun

stuckinarut2 I watched that video on Lot and I agree it is brilliant!

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Convention program 2017 AM3

by George One Time in

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/convention-program-2017/friday/.

why would our beloved gb member be on the top picture of the program?.

any ideas?.

ambersun

I notice that on Saturday morning they are targeting the poor kids again "Safeguard Your Children From “What Is Evil " (normal life?) followed by "Train Your Children in ‘the Way They Should Go’"

Oh dear, poor little mites. Perhaps they need reminding to give their money to the GB instead of wasting it on ice creams .

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February 26, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Witnessing in Public Places

by wifibandit in

february 26, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: witnessing in public places.

and.

february 25, 2017 to all congregations re: magnetic boards and posters for public witnessing.

ambersun

This is very worrying. All my JW family are constantly showing pics of themselves standing by the carts in all sorts of locations, from train stations to public parks, always where there are loads of people.

The weather in the UK is very blustery at the moment and if trees can be uprooted and injure people then so can carts! Not to mention people rushing about not looking where they are going. I will try to tactfully alert my family to the dangers of being unprotected but I won't hold my breath .

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February 26, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Witnessing in Public Places

by wifibandit in

february 26, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: witnessing in public places.

and.

february 25, 2017 to all congregations re: magnetic boards and posters for public witnessing.

ambersun

I am curious to know how this would affect the "individual publisher" if an accident were to happen and a pedestrian was injured due to tripping over the cart or something similar. Has anything like this ever happened? Would they be left to deal with the situation entirely on their own?

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I Saw 2 JWs Doing Nothing With Their Cart Today

by minimus in

jw
friends

my girlfriend and i were walking along a seaside boulevard and lo and behold!

2 jws were standing by the pathway.

they made eye contact and said hello.

ambersun

Hmmmm, I use every opportunity I can to remind my JW relatives how cushy life is for them these days.

Back in the 1960s pioneers spent 100 hours every month, in ALL weathers, knocking on peoples' doors the old fashioned way, carrying heavy book bags full of watchtower literature, and were expected to have bible studies, and report a respectable number of literature placements and return visits every month.

Even the rank and file publishers had to do a minimum of 10 hours a month traipsing round the streets placing a respectable amount of Watchtower literature which actually involved making an effort to engage people in conversatioin at every door we visited.

They don't know they're born these days sitting by their little carts playing with their phones. JWs have never had life so cushy .

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Best statement a householder made to get you to leave them alone.

by Esse quam videri in

knocked on a door on a saturday morning.

a window opened on the floor above me.

a grizzled old man stuck his head out and said, " we're all heathens here!

ambersun

how absolutely ridiculous of me to go to the door, during a snowstorm, with my five year old son and have that happen😨

Ahh but don't forget the angels were protecting us all. At least that was what we were told to believe.

As a teenage pioneer working alone for much of the time, I lost count of the dangers I faced. Men opening doors completely naked, total weirdos inviting me in for a "chat", an alcoholic couple inviting me in to a room full of booze and asking me to drink with them. The list goes on.....

Yet my parents believed I was perfectly safe from harm as I was doing Jehovah's work.