Posts by tec

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A Clean Slate When You Die ??

by Perry in

for the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

- romans 6:7 (nwt).

i got a chance to witness to my dad scripture for scripture for one whole hour over the holidays.

tec

I don't and you know it, since that accusation has been answered SOOO many times. Not going there with you again.

Peace,

tammy

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A Clean Slate When You Die ??

by Perry in

for the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

- romans 6:7 (nwt).

i got a chance to witness to my dad scripture for scripture for one whole hour over the holidays.

tec

Also, I am off to bed. Just didn't want to post and run, although I acknowledge that I have that bad habit, and I apologize to any I have left hanging.

Talk more tomorrow if you like.

Peace,

tammy

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A Clean Slate When You Die ??

by Perry in

for the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

- romans 6:7 (nwt).

i got a chance to witness to my dad scripture for scripture for one whole hour over the holidays.

tec

I did, I said I have a problem with god condemning US for the sin of two people and then deciding to torture his son to make up for it.

Yes, and I saw that Perry already answered that no one is condemned for the sin of another. (Although children do pay for the sins of their fathers, in that we are left with the world our fathers create for us, just like the problems that we inherit from them.) In what I shared from the understanding I have been given, is that God provided a way back TO life, and the garden, and the 'tree of life' (which is Christ), for those children that Adam had no regard FOR when he made his decision to disobey God, bringing death into the world.

God also did not torture His Son. Man did that.

Aside from the fact that there was no Adam and Eve,

There was/is... but I get that you do not accept this. But you ARE on a thread about Adam and Eve, asking questions about them, so... ?

and that I was a born in who spent years praying to a non-existent deity for the spirit you mentioned

I cannot comment on that, except to say that I am sorry that men deceived you; men who themselves do not know the Truth.

, what's the basis of your evidence for this version of Adam & Eve's (and indeed our) fall?

Christ... who is the Spirit and the Truth... who is alive and who does speak. He helped me to see this. As well, what understanding He has given is also backed up in what is written.

If you want to discuss specific things about what I wrote, then we can do that, even if you do not accept it as true, at least not right now. Of course, the best way to know the truth, and so the basis, would be to ask for ears to hear/eyes to see, and to ask Christ to help you understand. Your choice of course. But that is what I did.

Peace again, to you and yours,

tammy

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A Clean Slate When You Die ??

by Perry in

for the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

- romans 6:7 (nwt).

i got a chance to witness to my dad scripture for scripture for one whole hour over the holidays.

tec

You may not like the answer, alec, but you DID ask the question.

Peace,

tammy

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independent thinking

by stephenw20 in

1983 "avoid independent thinking .. how is such independent thinking manifested?

a common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by god's visible organization.

" {wt jan 15 1983 22}.

tec

1983 "Avoid Independent Thinking .. How is such independent thinking manifested? A common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization." {WT Jan 15 1983 22}

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

think I 'll stay with John on this one!

Yes. And also Christ:

"Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right?" Luke 12:57

(judge as in to discern/decide... not judge as in to condemn. http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2919&t=KJV)

Peace,

tammy

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A Clean Slate When You Die ??

by Perry in

for the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

- romans 6:7 (nwt).

i got a chance to witness to my dad scripture for scripture for one whole hour over the holidays.

tec

My question still stands, what happened in the bloody Garden of Eden?

First, the Garden of Eden is in the spiritual realm. So that Adam had a spiritual body when in the garden of eden. That is important because it reveals a truth about how we 'inherited' sin, and death. He did not originally have this body that we have today which has sin and death in it... because this body is what God gave Adam re: the long garment of skin... AFTER he disobeyed and ate of death. (God did not give an animal skin to cover physical nakedness as some tradition would have men believe) But Adam originally had a body that was clean, that had life in it and NO death; and one that could move between the physical and the spiritual realm (as the angels can do now) Until he disobeyed, and ate, showing a lack of love for God, Eve, and all of his offspring, making him unclean (the nakedness that he was ashamed of and tried to cover with leaves when he hid from God)

So despite God's warning that if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that they would surely die (consequence, not punishment... eat and you will die; NOT eat and I will kill you)... Adam ate of that tree of the knowledge of good (life, something he already had)... and the knowledge of bad (death being part of bad).

Ate of = take into oneself whatever it is one ate from.

Knowledge of = knowing. Not knowing ABOUT, but having first-hand knowledge of something.

So death entered Adam and Eve upon their eating. But God, in His mercy, fashioned for them a 'long garment of skin' (which again is not animal skin, but rather this vessel, this physical body), thereby trapping sin and death IN that vessel. So that the flesh gets sick and dies (because of the sin and death in it), but the spirit (who we truly are on the inside) does not have to get sick or die. Acting as a sort of 'shield'. Thereby SAVING Adam's offspring (who proved to be God's children) from the fate Adam had sold them to, and giving them the opportunity to find and have life, and to be able to eventually come BACK to the garden (spiritual realm, to be with Christ - the life - and God), and once again being able to access the tree of life (that is Christ).

The alternative - if Adam had been killed on the spot or wiped out so that God 'started over' - is that we (each of us) do not exist at all. That would have been wiping all of us out as well, before we were even born. Something Adam's LACK of love (and perhaps ignorance as well, but the lack of love was present regardless) allowed him to risk. Something God... who could see and know who would come... would not do.

So:

Adam ate of death, bringing death into himself, and into the world, with his lack of love and disobedience; and as we were born from the man after he had been given THAT vessel, we TOO have that same vessel. That is why we get sick and die in the flesh. That is the 'inherited' sin.

Interestingly... the garment of skin that Adam was given (that we have inherited) that has sin and death in it... is directly contrasted by the white robe that Christ gives (the spirit body made clean in Christ). Just to perhaps help you see how the 'garment of skin' and 'white robe'... are different kinds of bodies that we are given.

I hope this helps and is not too confusing, that you may be able to at least get a sense of these truths, as the Spirit teaches them.

May you be given ears to hear if you wish them, and also to hear as the Spirit and the Bride say to YOU, "Come... take the free gift of the water of life"... which water is holy spirit, that is poured out of God, through Christ (who is the Spirit).

Peace to you,

Your servant in Christ,

tammy

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Please don't take the mick....but I got disfellowshipped for kneeing an elder in the nads

by outinthemeadows in

an elder in my congregation got on my nerves because he kept putting his arm around me and i'd asked him to stop.

a few weeks later he did the same thing again so i used my knee against his micro-penis.

a judicial committee was formed even though i was being sexually harrassed by this octapus of an elder.

tec

So you got df'd for a knee-jerk reaction? (pun absolutely intended)

In seriousness, I am sorry for the double wrong done to you. I would call them on it... make it known to the congregation if they ignore you (as Christ does say to bring your wrong to the person, then to a couple of elders, then to the entire congregation), file an appeal, or write to higher-ups, or even what Jgnat suggested.

Peace,

tammy

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I think Im an Atheist :(? :)?

by chrisuk in

jw
friends

ive been pondering my beliefs for a while now and ive come across things that i just cant accept.

i was recently walking with a christian who stated that the universe couldnt just come from nothing.

he said that the universe was so complex that it needed a designer, he also said something which ive heard before.

tec

Peace Chrisuk!

I do not mean to 'crash' an atheist thread. But you said you were heartbroken, and while I imagine there may be more things than just what you wrote in your OP that are causing your doubts... there are things in your OP that are incorrect, so perhaps I can share something else for you to consider.

I’ve been pondering my beliefs for a while now and I’ve come across things that I just can’t accept. I was recently walking with a Christian who stated that the universe couldn’t just come from nothing. He said that the universe was so complex that it needed a designer, he also said something which I’ve heard before. He said that the human eye alone is so complex and perfect that it had to have had a creator/designer. I responded with: Well, if the universe is so complex that it needed a designer/creator and even the human eye needed the same. That neither could just be, then how much more complex than the human eye, and even the universe would God have too be? I mean if there is a God and he created something as complex as the universe, then how can he just come from nothing? If the universe is too complex to just be, then how much more complex would a creator of the universe have to be? And yet it’s perfectly acceptable for him to just come from nowhere? No sorry that’s a double standard.

I have never bought into this complex designer reasoning... as you noted, it does not make sense; and it is a double standard to say that everything had to come from a creator, but the creator could come from nothing.

However.

God did not come from nothing. God always was. There was never a 'time' that God was not. Everything came from God... not magic 'poof'... but from His energy. Life came from God.

We, through science, are discovering the how of all of this... but we are babes in science in comparison to how much we do not yet know. At the end of that trail... if we ever made it to the end of that trail... we would find God; but I do not think we will get to the end of the trail before Christ returns and 'all eyes will see.'

I’ve also recently discovered that the story of Jesus is based on ancient myths that predate Jesus by thousands of years, and, that said stories are in turn based on how the accents viewed the sun. Something I read was that on the 22nd of December each years the sun is at it’s lowest point, and after 3 days it rises slightly north (the sun being raised on the third day) And that apparently the ancients called the sun the sun of God.

Well, I don't know the source of your information, but I'm going to guess that it is based on some if not much conjecture, and perhaps even false information. I say this because the first thing that threatened my faith many years ago... as seems to be doing for yours now... were the 'christ-myth' accounts. That Christ was a copy cat of previous god-men, and then these authors and experts went on to list all the similarities. With some research, howeve, I quickly found that these claims were based on false information and a lack of research.

I was a bit annoyed with myself at the time, that I allowed myself to doubt over something so baseless, something I should have known was false (as most christ-myth stories have each 'god man' being born on december 25th, and we know that christ was not born on such a date... and a little research shows that none of the others were either) So it was the simple thing that I missed, which should have alerted me to the lack of integrity of these researchers.

For you, there might be something just as simple that you have overlooked. Like for instance in regard to how your source states that the ancients called the sun, the sun of God... well: sun and son are probably only homonyms in the English language.

So there would be no connection except IN the english language.

What you read might be a bit more in depth. Again, I cannot say because I do not know your source. But again... you should fully research the claims, and ask yourself if the conclusions being drawn are TRULY the correct conclusions, or are there other explanations that are going ignored in light of the bias of the people presenting them.

All this questions and discovering that the Bible is just based off of ancient mythology is pretty upsetting to me. I’ve always drawn comfort from the Bible, and in believing that there is a God and an afterlife. And to come to the realisation that it’s all untrue is horrible, but I can’t just ignore things simple because they go against what I believe, facts are facts and I’ll continue down this road of real truth. I’m pretty sure that I’m now an Atheist, I almost wish I was still ignorant of the facts but I can’t un-know something.

I totally understand how you cannot ignore things. I did not... it would have been cowardly of me, and while I could have lived with being cowardly for a while... someone I loved WAS believing the false claims, and I had to then see if there was anything to them or not. So I researched, and although I was upset with myself for doubting when I should have known better, at the same time, doing the research and realizing that there was NOTHING to these claims helped to strengthen my faith... and taught me not to be afraid of the claims and/or any knowledge; even claims or knowledge that 'seems' to contradict Christ and God.

Because they never actually do. It is only our misunderstandings that create conflicts. The truth reveals this, always, in the end.

So please forgive my intrusion, but I had to share my experiences with you, out of love for Christ and God, and also for all those He loves and who love Him.

Peace to you, and may you find the truth as you wish.

Your servant in Christ,

tammy

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I think my faith might be returning. Feeling very confused.

by jambon1 in

jw
friends

i've been out the organisation for around 8 years.

when i first left, im positive that i suffered from some sort of post traumatic stress.

i was very angry at myself for accepting the really bad parts of the religion that i strongly disagreed with.

tec

Faith is for people who are prepared to admit they are both lazy and ignorant

Sometimes I wonder if you realize what you said.

I expect it from some people here... always catches me off guard when it comes from you.

Peace,

tammy

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Do you frown upon tattoos?

by confusedandalone in

i am very interested in hearing from people who really think that people with tattoos are somehow weird or cagey individuals.

i would just like to get your outlook on this matter.

today i was in a grocery store and i sawe this guy with his two kids and his wife shopping.

tec

I like tattoos. I think they can look beautiful and/or cool and/or interesting. Obviously, at the same time, some are not so great.

I used to want one, but would not get one because I would not trust myself to still like the same thing on my body in a year or ten, lol. But I think of them as art on the body... and like all art, some I like and some I don't.

My husband has a few and I would not have a problem if my boys wanted them (as adults).

Someone who has to wear a suit isn't showing his tattoos if he has them anyway... and tattoos are becoming more and more acceptable in other places as more and more people get them, visible or not. A tattoo plastered across your face or around your neck might limit you, lol... but most of the rest are not going to cause any problems for work.

Peace,

tammy