Posts by MrMonroe

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Special Meetings with GB+ Scheduled for October in Patterson and Assembly Halls

by happyexjw in

apologies if this has already been discussed, but saw this on the fb jehovahs witnesses, new, library, history page and wondered if anyone knew anything about it or has any idea what it could be about.

date: august 17, 2011 5:38:59 pm cdt.

to: the librarian <[email protected]>.

MrMonroe

Maybe presenting details of the takeover offer from the Church of Scientology. The directors of the WTS recommend acceptance in the absence of a higher offer.

Scientology offering WTS $50 for each of its publishers, $5000 for each pioneer and a 5% discount on monthly field service quotas for all R&F members. Members of GB will be required to swear allegience to Xenu, but will then be given comfortable accommodation at Scientology HQ in LA and one seat on the Scientology board. David Miscavige to be new president of joint Watch Tower Tract and Scientology Society.

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Got some Street Encounter Questions for JWs?

by Vanderhoven7 in

jw
friends

MrMonroe

1. If I studied with you guys and got baptised and became a JW and we became friends .... what would happen in a year or two if I decided I'd picked the wrong religion and wrote a letter of resignation and left? Would you still talk to me? If not, why not? In what way would that be different to joining a sports club or a Rotary club and deciding later you don't want to remain a member: do you think those clubs would ban every other member from talking to me?

2. Where do JWs get their doctrines? Who decides them? If you think one of those doctrines is wrong or makes no sense, are you allowed to say so? If I got baptised and became a JW and decided I was one of the anointed and decided one of the doctrines was wrong, how could I get that doctrine changed? Because as a member of the faithful slave cass, I'd know that God was using me to reveal things.

3. Is it true your religion has judicial committees that puts JWs on trial and can expel them and make sure no one is allowed to speak to them? See, I heard someone going through one of those trials isn't allowed to have representation and isn't allowed to record the trial, isn't allowed to know what evidence is gathered before the trial .... and when a judgment is made no one in the congregation ever knows what the charge was, or the evidence was, they just know a person was found guilty of something and they're never allowed to talk to them again. Does that sound wrong?

4. A friend of mine was in a religion and then examined its real teachings and decided it didn't match what the Bible said. But they felt like they coudn't leave because there was so much poressure from their family, and they'd be punished. Do you think that's wrong? Do you think they should be allowed to leave? (JW answer: Of course!) See, that friend is a JW. So you agree that's wrong for family to put pressure on someone to stay in a religion even when they know it's wrong?

5. Would you still be witnessing as much if the Governing Body decided you didn't have to put in field service reports?

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Angels are taking the lead in the preaching work

by mankkeli in

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consider one experience in which two kingdom publishers were accompanied by a small child.

at the end of the morning, the two witnesses were about to stop their preaching work, but the child was unusually eager to go to the next home.

in fact, he went by himself and knocked on the door!

MrMonroe

As part of my job I cold call on homes in different parts of my state. Recently I knocked on the door of a woman I had met exactly one year earlier in a suburb 150km away. We had a laugh about it and I told her I'd probably knock on her door again in another year in a different town.

It was a coincidence. If it was a JW knocking on the door it would have been angelic direction. Describing it as such is superstitious nonsense.

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My public talk on sunday

by mankkeli in

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i am currently preparing for the public talk on sunday and as i was looking through the outline some these thoughts just keep popping up my mind that in the face of several allegations and numerous scandal, wbts has not stopped claiming to be god's organisation, i am wondering if they will ever realise that their strategies are no longer appealing to the general public.

regrettably, they keep on publishing and printing using victims of mind control hazards to the detriment of over 7 million rank and file members and spiritual illiterates in the society.

i keep on pondering on how long this malicious activity would continue.

MrMonroe

Cantleave, you beat me to it: I was gonna ask if you included Ummagumma.

To th elders posting here who still give talks, you are in a difficult, yet valuable position. If you feel you can make people think by what you include in talks, then that's a good thing. But I think we all know that JWs don't go to meetings to pay attention listen and absorb. They go to be seen there so people don't think less of them.

I think they check in all their reasoning faculties when they walk through the door; it's a fantasy world where talk of angels, Nephilim, grass-eating lions and angelic direction are commonplace and people address one another as "Brother" and "Sister". It's a pretend world, where everyone enters an unspoken pact to believe the unbelievable and not do anything to pop the bubble the spoil the moment.

If you're working on an exit strategy that's wonderful. Considering the depth of mind control that exists within the organisation, I seriously doubt you'll take "thousands" with you. There have, of course, been instances of mass defections triggered by unpopular disfellowshippings. "Crisis of Allegiance" by James A. Beverley tells the remarkable story of how Jim Penton's expulsion split congregations and prompted mass walkouts (and in one case a fist fight).

But it's a rarity. All the very best, however.

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Millions now living will never die

by stillin in

the word "now" has taken on new meaning.

or is it the word "die?

".

MrMonroe

Yes, some irony in that Rutherford, the writer of that book, was not one of those millions. Essentially they are selling the same message today, hoping that though it wasn't true then, it may be today.

WT 4/15/2005: "Notice how Jesus expressed these two thoughts. When speaking to Martha about the resurrection of the dead, he said: “He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone that is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all.” All evidence shows that this “day” is very near, which means that you may “never die at all.”

Jehovah's Witnesses might like to give some thought to an illustration in a November 1995 WT:

"IMAGINE a weather forecaster whose predictions almost always come true. If he predicts on the evening news that it will rain the following day, you do not hesitate to take along your umbrella when you leave the house the next morning. His past record has won your confidence. You act on what he says."

What would be the appropriate action for a JW who has watched more than a century of predictions by the WTS that have failed, one after another?

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Victoria, Australia: Steven Unthank's Press Release: JW's Hierarchy Formally Charged Today With Child Abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

jehovah's witnesses hierarchy charged.

immediate press release: 26 july 2011. link to this press release: http://wp.me/p1g1hc-4o.

worldwide church hierarchy charged with child abuse.

MrMonroe

I don't see that he is trying to connect the two. He gave evidence at the judicial inquiry that happened to convene near his hometown and has more recently fulfilled his long-held ambition of having criminal charges laid against the organisation.

You are correct that you are confused and that your assumption is untrue. I don't know who you refer to in saying "many here myself included" are confused. It's a matter of digesting clear information he has provided. Stop jumping to false conclusions.

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Victoria, Australia: Steven Unthank's Press Release: JW's Hierarchy Formally Charged Today With Child Abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

jehovah's witnesses hierarchy charged.

immediate press release: 26 july 2011. link to this press release: http://wp.me/p1g1hc-4o.

worldwide church hierarchy charged with child abuse.

MrMonroe

BTW has anyone here personally met Mr Unthank in person?

Why? Are you doubting his existence as well? I have already provided a link for the transcript of the judicial inquiry where he appeared.

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JW directives you thought were downright stupid

by fallen_princess in

i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

MrMonroe

I was thinking, it's a kid's comic for crying out loud!

SerenityNow, the expression "for crying out loud" is itself a "minced oath", an exclamation that is technically innocent but actually based on a curse ("For Christ's sake!")

It's hard to get away from them! I remember giving a talk on the school once, based on the old TMS book, warning against using such words. I omitted to mention in the talk that at work, where no one knew of my secret religious cult membership, I swore like a f***ing trooper.

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JW directives you thought were downright stupid

by fallen_princess in

i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

MrMonroe

Then there was the congregation that had a little musical ensemble playing the Kingdom Songs beside the stage. It was Brisbane, so in summer it was damn hot (if I might use the word "damn". Oh crap, I said "damn." Oh bugger, I said "crap.") One picky elder decided that since they were beside the stage, the male members of the band should wear jackets. Jehovah apparently doesn't like hearing music from people not wearing jackets.

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JW directives you thought were downright stupid

by fallen_princess in

i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

MrMonroe

In one congregation I wouldn't be asked to give a prayer at a book study group unless I was wearing a jacket. I was an MS and went to a field service group one evening in summer. I walked in and they were all sitting there like headless chooks working out who was going to lead the group. A couple of them said, "Ah, here's Brother Monroe, he can do it!" ... and then someone else spoke up.

"He can't do it, he's not wearing a jacket!" So he took the group, wearing his ochre-colored vinyl jacket straining at the buttons.

I'd always thought I'd be disqualified from taking a field service group if I'd turned up without my pants, but a jacket? Until then I didn't realise how jackets trumped shirts in God's theocratic system.