"Apostates" aren't the most anything.
The majority have a JW background and current JW family/friends. That's all we have in common.
"Apostates" aren't the most anything.
The majority have a JW background and current JW family/friends. That's all we have in common.
most of us either when exiting the witnesses or after exiting have certain beliefs/practices that bothered us so much we could not suport this organization anymore.
what were your breaking points ?
here were a few of mine :.
Apocalypticism.
egg and i were treated out to dinner three times last weekend by out of state visiting relatives.
just found out last night that they don't believe in tipping, at all!
we suggested the places to eat and frequent those places ourselves.
I agree with Emerged that I'd prefer to live in a tip-free culture, and pay higher prices instead. But I don't, so for now people who I dine with who tip poorly embarrass me.
Let's not even start discussing whether you should tip the person who washes your hair at the salon, or your stylist, or both!!
egg and i were treated out to dinner three times last weekend by out of state visiting relatives.
just found out last night that they don't believe in tipping, at all!
we suggested the places to eat and frequent those places ourselves.
I also get so embarrassed when people take me out to eat and I realize they're tipping inappropriately. Sometimes I say "Thank you so much for buying this meal - the least I can do is the tipping." But that's not always possible or polite.
For people who think tipping is unnecessary, I agree with the advice to damn well cook at home or go to McDonalds. The beauty of tipping for service is that's it's discretionary - which means you decide how much to tip.
If a plate of food costs $10, let's say, the this is made up (approximately) as follows:
$3 - actual ingredients.
$2 - electricity, water, chefs' salaries, admin salaries, servers' basic wages - for getting the raw ingredients from the supplier and onto your plate in the form of a delicious meal which you didn't have to lift a finger to produce.
$2 - the real estate you're sitting in - rent for your piece of the restaurant, perhaps your view, the soap in the bathroom, upholstery on the chair, salary for the person who took your booking and showed you to your table, the person who set your table, lights and music.....
$1 - the cost of washing your plates, cutlery, glasses - water, electricity, staff, machinery, breakages.
$2 - profit for the investors/owners who bothered to make your meal possible.
The $10 meal would cost $12 or so if the business had to add in an extra charge for personalizing your experience, making your meal pleasant, describing your options, bringing it to your table, and everything else that goes along with service. But they don't. They beauty of the system is that you get to decide how much the experience is worth to you.
after reading on the way out's thread about his mom explaining the generation overlap to him it kicked this idea into my head to make this thread .
i thought it would be helpful to see if anybody here has had jw relatives or friends try to explain this " generation overlap " theory to you as a faded or inactive witness and what happened in the conversations.
so please feel free to post your experiences.
Miseryloveselders, I have to ask the obvious question....
I'm gonna get ready to hit the sack. I have to lead the group tommorrow.
How do you sleep at night?
here it is friday august 13th, still three weeks until labor day weekend.
this is the time each year when 'it' begins.
in any other month, we have a peaceful little community.
Have you ever thought of attending the Burn?
just a question really and whilst i would not put it past them i sort of feel it is too 'conspiracy theory' for me.
are elders and bethelites officially sanctioned to lurk (or engage) in this or other sites to try to weedle out apostates?
does anyone have any direct experience of it happening?.
Would be interested to hear from Simon if he has ever been contacted by the WBTS about this site.
most of us here know what a hypocritical, backstabbing bunch of gossips many of the jw's tend to be.
far too often, a jw wont tell you to your face what's eating them, but they'll sure tell others.
when i started waking up (the second time around) this made me very paranoid.
Can't think of a story personally (JW's aren't, in my opinion, more gossipy than most people), but a comment on yours...... consider yourself fortunate to have escaped potentially marrying into a family that considers going to a bar to be a bad thing.
1) i am listening to the meeting on the phone right now.
during the announcements they said there is a letter about paperback bibles and if you want to know what it says you need to read it on the notice board.
i can't read it on the notice board because i'm not there!
undercover.....
I had forgotten all about the "love and greetings" from other congregations until reading this. Remember how the chairman would read "The brothers and sisters from Dumbass congregation in dumbfuck send their warm Christian love..." and all us goofballs would applaud... as if Jehovah's holy spirit was going to carry that applause to the other congregation so they'd appreciate our clapping for their stupid little love note.
Thanks for the flashback and a good laugh!!
i want to introduce myself.
i'm a 28 year old active, married jw from belgium.
in the preceding months (i'd say starting from about march) i've been slowly losing my faith.
I forgot to say, welcome, illuminator! I love the sound of a fresh open mind.
The topic of fading versus DA'ing or being DF'ed has been discussed endlessly on this forum. I just want to take this opportunity to say that if you have THE CHOICE (and some people don't have an option, you're fortunate in that you do) fading has the best long-term advantages.......
...... unless you want to DA for personal reasons (read: your ego, or making a statement).
Fade brother! What's the worst the elders and Brooklyn New York can then do to you? Yes, disfellowship you or disassociate you.
Good luck with the rest of your life on this earth.