Posts by Fernando

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The WT Isn't Going Away (sorry got long)

by LostGeneration in

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friends

i've seen more threads and comments in the last week about the "demise of the wt" than in some time.

several were on threads about the donation arrangement and how its going to backfire in some way on the wt.

oh and the lone elder who was pissed in some sort of passive-aggresive manner about it when he presented the resolution.

Fernando

The scam ™ fully and accurately deconstructed in under 3 minutes.

Too bad that so many of those being scammed are being badly blindsided.

They are addicted to, following and worshipping a VISIBLE corrupt manmade organisation exposed by its many toxic fruits.

Still I am hopeful of her unexpectedly sudden demise.

My personal experience has also helped confirm for me that she is one of Babylon's many harlots.

(Revelation 18:21) . . .“Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again.

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Ray Franz - is he REALLY a hero?

by baltar447 in

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friends

on one hand, he's enlightnened many to the internal circle jerk that is the governing body (circa the 70s).. but if there's one reason that can be pointed to for the jws becoming full on cult, it's ray franz.

without him leaving in the manner he did, and stirring the pot, they might not have change the rule (retroatively i might add) on shunning of disassociated ones.

they specifically changed that so they could remove him and eliminate his influence.. his actions single handedly have created the situation where we have to fade, evade, leave marriages, say goodbye to family, just because we don't buy the jw bullsh!t anymore.

Fernando

At the end of the day he found, accepted, pursued and promoted the "gospel of grace" and exposed its opposite namely legalism (and moralism) as apostasy.

This is something anyone can do, and many exJWs have.

How many?

Possibly millions.

The difference?

In the end not too much really.

He was human and likely went through many of the same process and phases millions of exJWs do: questions, research, doubt, uncertainty, shock, fear, horror, loss of identity, consolidation, peace and so on.

True, Ray rose much higher and had more to lose than most of us by way of credibility, status, authority and power.

He was also very good at explaining, and writing, at length and in great detail.

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why does the Wt hate Jesus so much?

by Crazyguy in

even in the anniversary year were they claim jesus being enthroned for a hundred years they talk and say jehovah is king, its still all about jehovah, i don't get it?.

Fernando

Because Jesus hates religion/ists and its/their oppressive message (proselytising). Matt 23:15.

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The stark contrast between Science and Christianity says it all.

by Island Man in

jesus prayed that all his followers be united as one.

but we see christianity divided into thousands of denominations.

this division is partly due to the fact that the book that christianity claims is the truth, the inspired word of a supremely wise god, was not written in a sufficiently unambiguous manner as to make its one true meaning indisputably clear throughout.. by contrast take a field of science - say physics.

Fernando

Indeed, "Christless Christianity" is a particularly virulent and pathogenic strain of the religion virus.

“Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.” Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

“The idea of being spiritual – not religious – is increasingly popular among the scientific community as well as in American culture at large. Many scientists who are politically liberal don’t want to associate with religion because of its conservative valence today. Historically, there are no boundary disputes between spirituality and science, unlike religion and science" (Prof David Yamane).

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A comment to make witnesses ears prick up and think.

by stuckinarut2 in

so the next time you are in a group of witnesses and discussion about a sad event where people died occurs (such as a car accident, natural disaster etc), just casually say:.

" oh well, that's a few less people jehovah has to kill at armageddon.....so don't be upset!...at least they now get a resurrection".

that will make witnesses think!.

Fernando

I think there is definite merit in devil's advocate strategies.

Spot on with this one stuckinarut2.

One imagines that carefully choosing one's audience will increase mileage.

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Governing Body Are They The Faithful And Discreet Slave Or The Faithful and Discreet Shyster

by frankiespeakin in

this new 100th memorial year of the begining rule of the imaginary kingdom of the heavens is turniing out to bring windfall profits to the watchtower corporation.

already the gb are selling real estate like there was no tomorrow and the way it looks this is just the begining as they try to liquidate assets before the "great disappointment" gets in full swing, take the money and run seems to be the new tune for these charlatans.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wcfugcollu.

faithful to what?

Fernando

Unfaithful and indiscreet to say the least...

15

New Light - I've figured it out (and it's mine so don't you 'tates steal my royalties or MY followers - they belong to me [evil maniacal laughter] )

by berrygerry in

so, we continue to face mounting challenges with 607 vs 587 (20 year differential), and the generation dying out.. therefore, after a personal (420 free - honest) research and revelation, it would appear that 587 is the correct launch date.. with respect to the 7 times, russell had been influenced by john a. brown into using a year of 360 days, when prescience would most surely indicate that at the time of discovery (2014) one would use the number of days of that respective calendar, i.e.. 365 1/4 days, an additional 5.25 days per year.. so, 7 x 5.25 = 36.75, which, using the biblical principle of rounding down, is 36 years.

(a day for a year).. adding the 20 year differential to the 36 years now gives us 56 years, which when added to 1914 ce, brings us to 1970 ce.. when we ask the god google, the significance of 1970, it tells us that earth day began 4/22/1970 (note not 4/20).. and who came to the aid of the woman (rev.

was it not the earth?.

Fernando

I'd better invent (or steal) some new light of my own before there are no more followers left for me...

12

my story slowly

by venting in

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friends

i remember studying the truth book.

the blood issue never sat well with me.

in fact it's my biggest complant.

Fernando

Hey venting.

Welcome and thank you for being willing to post and share in spite of challenges.

Personally I rely on the spell checker in MS Word.

I copy and paste my posts into Word, and then fix the spelling mistakes.

Most here will overlook spelling and grammar and enjoy reading your story.

You have 30 minutes to change, correct or update any post (just click on the pen icon).

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Did the GB ever receive new light without the passage of time forcing it upon them?

by Zoos in

1914 did not bring the end they were hoping for so new light shone down from above and corrected their understanding.. 1925 also led to unfulfilled expectations and so new light was bestowed.. .

(i could go through all the dates and expectations... but i won't.).

what if the new light about 1914 being the year that christ returned was provided before 1914?

Fernando

Great question and topic.

Without the passage of time, and without questions and contrary proof from the R&F or detractors?

I doubt it...

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Congregation Pledge Disgusted Elder

by rrb2016 in

at the meeting the other night, the elder who had to read the announcements, which included the $$ info for the new donation arrangement seemed downright disgusted as he read the announcements and asked for the vote.

he said, "well, here is another organizational change" as he read the letter about the discontinuation of the 2nd meeting during co visit.

then after they voted, he said if you have any questions ask this other elder as if he wanted nothing to do with it.

Fernando

May the disgust multiply unabated along with the insanity of the Watchtower ruling religious clergy class, until the whole ugly mess implodes...