Posts by garyneal

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People, it really is this simple

by Trevor Scott in

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what will guide us in choosing the right religion?

the encyclopdia universalis is correct when it highlights the importance of truth.

a religion that teaches lies cannot be true.

I'am in the Penalty Box! I asked the Circuit Overseer "Who Donates Blood For Jehovah's Witnesses Blood Fragments".

by AuntConnie in

told my husband to put a muzzle on my mouth over the blood dogma.

we all were driving around in field service when the topic of "which fragments would you take if you were in a car accident or cut yourself badly".

said his choice is a personal one, another sister with chronic health problems said she had no problem with the governing body's new light on taking various fragments.

garyneal

The highlights from my study with Brother Hero:

Hero: “Well, how can I explain this, say you we’re not allowed to have milk, but you could eat the cream that is in the milk.”

“So I can have some of the blood then?”

Hero: “Well, hang on, let me see. Well, just because you take a shot that has blood in it, there is not much there. It is not like taking a lot of blood in a blood transfusion.”

I then told him that “my wife was RH- and needed a shot during her both her pregnancies. I read up on that and learned that it takes 38 to 40 pints of blood to make one dose.” I agreed that obviously that dose did not contain THAT much blood so it must have been taken apart. “However, don’t blood fractions come from blood?”

Hero: “I don’t know.”

“Well, I thought it did, where else can it come from and if it did, are we not taking in blood?”

Hero: “Well, you see, you know if you take poison it can kill you but if you take just a drop… um, wait a minute. Well, you don’t think a drop of poison is deadly, right?”

“Maybe, but if not could it not make you sick?”

Hero: “Um, well, well all I know is that the blood fractions in those needles are not enough, not whole blood.”

“Just a part of blood?”

Hero: “Well, we aren’t allowed to take whole blood, but we can take what can amount to just a drop,” he said as he was holding up his pinky to illustrate how much is enough.

“Who determines how much blood is too much blood?” I asked.

Hero: “Um, well, um… The doctors! They are the ones who give you the fractions, they’ve already measured it out.”

“I see, the doctors determine what it too much and what is okay,” I responded and he responded, “Right!” I tell you, the sheer lunacy of his comments knows no bounds. The doctor’s cannot be trusted and are lying but those same doctors can be trusted to determine how much blood is acceptable. He obviously knows NOTHING about the blood doctrine. I held back, he did well to hang in there this long so I decided not to plaster him on the walls too much. But I had to ask this, “Okay, if I were to become a Jehovah’s Witness, would I be allowed to donate blood so that its fractions could be used?”

Hero: “No.”

“Why not?”

Hero: “Because, blood has to be…” he wanted me to fill in the rest so I said.

“Um, poured out onto the ground?”

Hero: “Well, uh, yes, but it must be SACRIFICED!” Okay, I am like dumbfounded, does he realize what he is saying?

“So, any blood that comes out of my body must be sacrificed?”

Hero: “Well, not entirely, doctor’s can draw blood samples but we cannot donate blood because that blood must be…” leading off again and then he finishes it with, “SACRIFICED!”

“I see, well I guess it does not make sense to me because if I were a witness and I needed blood fractions who else can I get it from? Worldly people?”

Hero: “I don’t know,” he said.

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I'am in the Penalty Box! I asked the Circuit Overseer "Who Donates Blood For Jehovah's Witnesses Blood Fragments".

by AuntConnie in

told my husband to put a muzzle on my mouth over the blood dogma.

we all were driving around in field service when the topic of "which fragments would you take if you were in a car accident or cut yourself badly".

said his choice is a personal one, another sister with chronic health problems said she had no problem with the governing body's new light on taking various fragments.

garyneal

I had one brother try to tell me that the blood for the fractions came from animals and that fractions are not the same as blood.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/213969/1/A-brother-at-my-wifes-congregation-wants-to-study-the-Bible-Teach-book

Look at post 2731 from me on this page for a breakdown of his explanations.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/213969/3/A-brother-at-my-wifes-congregation-wants-to-study-the-Bible-Teach-book

He never could answer the question...

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My Walmart encounter with the dubs today

by poppers in

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yup, there were 3 of them camped out in front of the store with their display of materials - first time i've seen them there.

he said he converted 5 years ago from the presbyterians, and that he had learned more in 1 year with the jws than all his time with the presbyterians (the usual stuff, jesus died on a stake, paradise earth, etc).

he claimed he didn't know about the invisible return of jesus, he was dismissive of the impact of disfellowshipping and that people can leave with little consequence, he claimed that the romans didn't use a cross until 200 years after jesus died on the stake.

garyneal

It is amazing the sheer level of ignorance you would find in many Jehovah's Witnesses when you press them about their teachings.

Sometime back, I had a pioneer brother, who I refer to here as "Brother Hero," approach me to offer to study the Bible with him (using their publications of course). I was amazed at the sheer level of ignorance this man had concerning their doctrines. Here was a man who had been 'in the truth' for forty years. My wife always feigned, "I am just studying the milk of the truth," whenever I questioned her concerning their doctrines and she could not explain them. I guess this gentleman you spoke with was still nursing on the 'milk' and was not ready for the 'meat.'

Same language used by the IFB's back when I use to be one.

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What do JW's make of Early Christians?

by ForbiddenFruit in

garyneal

I mean, there were no printing presses! Scrolls were as valuable and as rare as a genuine Rolex! Not to mention that most people were illiterate!

Precisely, jgnat, can you imagine given how laborious it would've been to write all those scrolls depicted in the photograph that Neomadman posted? Again, no printing presses.

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