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  How many here smoke?

  by cantleave in

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  2. friends

  i don't and am very unlikely to after seeing my father dying of a smoking related lung disease (even though i would like to try a high quality cigar).. but i am curious to see how many people take up smoking after leaving the org.. .

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  I sometimes fume - but I don't smoke.
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  23 scientists misquoted by the ever so deceitful Watchtower society

  by Reality79 in

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  2. beliefs

  apologies if this has already been posted, but i actually found this to be an interesting and even funny read!.

  http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/blatant_misquotes_in_the_origin_of_life_booklet.

  *edit* sorry you will have to copy and paste link, the icon to insert url isn't working for me for some reason......

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  But what would one expect from an organisational pyramid built on essentially uneducated people?

  With an agenda.
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  TO ALL LURKERS: the WTS approves of parents humilating their children!

  by Chemical Emotions in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  no person can escape rendering an account to god.

  5 after showing that children are not free from rendering an account, the apostle paul goes on to stress the obligation of the parents before god: "and you, fathers, do not be irritating your children, but go on bringing them up in the discipline and authoritative advice of jehovah.

  since parents will render an account for the way they bring up their children, the question arises: what is jehovah's discipline?.

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  No wonder so many are damaged for life ...

  Suffer little children to come unto me ....
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  Swedish government declines to give JW financial support

  by InquiryMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  quite recently, watchtower in sweden applied for governmental financial support, as they are entitled to as a registered religious community.

  however, the government declined to accept the application, stating that the reason was that the jws do not adhere to democratic values and standards and do not support mainstream values.. the witnesses are upset, because they feel discriminated against.

  they state that the financial issue is not the real issue, but to be treated in a similar way as other religious communities.. they have appealed the decision and plan to send a report explaining the witnesses views in more detail.. the branch office chose the religious, pentecostal (assembly of god) newspaper "dagen" to make an interview.. here is the photo report of the article.. .

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  Dagen is a daily newspaper in Sweden with the expressed purpose of being a Christian voice in the media noise. Its circulation is 18,400 (year 2006).

  The first issue was published on November 1, 1945. Lewi Pethrus, the leader of the pentecostal movement in Sweden was its founder and its chief editor until his death in 1974.

  (WIKI via Google)

  Cliff
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  DOG FIGHTING

  by badboy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today, i had some dog ifghting gang outside my flat.. what a evil.. .

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  "organized dog fighting is illegal in england"

  I thought Pitbulls were, too!

  What's the mentality of people wanting to keep that sort of animal? A bit short in the trouser department??
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  Flouride and Chlorine in our drinking water is poisoning us to death?

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  american dental association now reccomends due to health problems children under 12 not drink tap water with flouride!!!!

  even though since the 1950's we were told flouride only helps "young teeth.

  " it is chemical waste made from smoke staks while chlorine was a chemical weapon which was found also to clean water.

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  Any comments?

  Yes, that is a silly an ill informed post, not even worthy of a detailed rebuttal.

  Water is a chemical ....
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  Pray -Jehovah will save you...or let you die depending on "his will." Please Explain?

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  witness yearbooks are full of experiences where jehovah saved a poor witness who prayed for help...and the soldiers walked passed and did not see them etc, etc.

  however, other brothers prayed and still got executed by gillotine so...why does gods will allow such things?

  isn't this just random chance put down as god's will?

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  I remember the great tsunami which killed 300,000 (?) people, babies and all.

  There was a newspaper report about a scandinavian woman who later found her son, believed drowned.

  "Thank God for this miracle", the paper trumpeted!

  Go figure ....
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  If Shunning Didn't Exist, Would JW's Exist In Their Current Form?

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in my opinion, this is the crux of the matter where ex jw's are concerned.. so many religions have disagreements with their members.

  but you can disagree, research, question, and leave if that is your wish.

  you may receive some sanction depending on the religion, but no shunning is required in the major faith's and religions of christendom.

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  Interesting.

  As an outsider (no connection with JWs except knowing some 40 years ago, but a growing interest in humans & religion (small "r"); -

  I notice several comments above about the WTBS leaching money and members. Is this true and verifyable or just (understandable) wishfull thinking?

  Any pointers to further discussion about "lawsuits on shunning"? Very hard to see what civil and criminal laws are being broken or could be. The prectice is disgusting and my eyes have been opened to how much damage this causes, but I canot see (and I work for a law firm) anything actionable apart from other issues like blood etc.

  I am greatly impressed by the courage and scholarship of (some ) members here!
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  Secrets of the WatchTower--It's origins and It's Agenda

  by CrimsonBleu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  secrets of the watchtower is a website which tells the incredible history of wts and it's founders, connecting dots like no othe resource.. i happened upon this site, but i have not had time to fully cover it yet.

  has anyone else seen this site and is it as factaul as t appears to be?

  if so, every one of us needs to read it.

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  Standard conspiracy theory stuff - yawn!

  Masons, Jews, Jesuits etc etc all out to rule the world!
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  Psychologists repudiate gay-to-straight therapy

  by Rabbit in

  1. social
  2. current

  i'm guessing the wts and some others won't be capable of understanding this article ?

  damn the torpedoes people -- full speed ahead !!.

  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090806/ap_on_re_us/us_psychologists_gays/print.

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  cliff

  I am old, straight (whatever that means!) but,

  loving music, dance and all the arts am very much aware of the feminine side of life and the brilliant priceless contribution to our culture of those who lean in that direction.

  Now mysogenists, on the other hand, really get me wound up!

  Cliff