felt so sorry for them,i questioned the 1914 date and they schpeeled out the crap theyre told,i asked what they personally thaught about it,that stumped them as they dont have the remit to think for thewmselves.. i then offered them the 'crisis of concience ' book and they damn near ran out the garden!
poor people wish i could help them..
felt so sorry for them,i questioned the 1914 date and they schpeeled out the crap theyre told,i asked what they personally thaught about it,that stumped them as they dont have the remit to think for thewmselves.
i then offered them the 'crisis of concience ' book and they damn near ran out the garden! poor people wish i could help them.
this is a truthfull account of what i went through,it is a work in progress and there is much mor to come.. all i can say to anyone reading this and are contemplating joining or are still a jehovahs witness is dont join and those that have,leave asap!.
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i thaught i might bump this thread ,it may help someone out there who is trying to get free.
this is a truthfull account of what i went through,it is a work in progress and there is much mor to come.. all i can say to anyone reading this and are contemplating joining or are still a jehovahs witness is dont join and those that have,leave asap!.
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Hoffnung do it ,'get out of her my people',who knows maybe your example will show others the way to 'be set free'.
has anyone else seen this email?
i thought i would pass it along.... .
dear friends, .
there is no way on this earth that a man as given to the bible and its study and who sat at the top where the lies were made,that he didnt know that the watchtower society was a snare and a racket.
i will pray for this mans soul.
shame on him.
has anyone else seen this email?
i thought i would pass it along.... .
dear friends, .
and the so very sad thing is that the poor followers will believe what they are told to believe. does anyone know howmany people born on or before 1914 in the world are left?
this is a truthfull account of what i went through,it is a work in progress and there is much mor to come.. all i can say to anyone reading this and are contemplating joining or are still a jehovahs witness is dont join and those that have,leave asap!.
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heres a picture to accompany the previous post:
this is a truthfull account of what i went through,it is a work in progress and there is much mor to come.. all i can say to anyone reading this and are contemplating joining or are still a jehovahs witness is dont join and those that have,leave asap!.
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well it has been some 10 months since i last posted here,i feel that i should post more of my experience but in all honesty i cannot,it was a terrible time being one of jehovahs witness and having a mother like that just made the whole miserable experience worse.
In the last year a lot has changed,i had a very low point with y depression and was close to total breakdown when i found myself at the local vicars house,Rev Moorsom was very kind and we talked for a longwhile,soon afterwards i began attending the local anglican church,it was all a bit strange at first things were very different to the kingdom hall,i was a bit scared that i would be asking for some kind of retribution from jehovah for going to the church after all all my life i had been told about the evils of babylon the great! as i attended more and talked to real christians i had a real enlightening,i saw the real truth,i realised that the god of the jehovahs witness wasnt the God of the bible and true christianity,the true God wasnt vengefull and full of hate,for years we had scoffed at the churches use of the verse 'God is love' but now it really made sense .
All of a sudden i was free of the witness teachings,free of the guilt and self hate that had been engrained into me for most of my life.I learned about Grace,and how whatever we do we wont earn everlasting life or a ticket to heaven ,it was a free gift from God an assured to all men .I cannot put into words the feeling of relief and freedom this was,when the witness' talk of 'you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free' they really dont know how far off theyre mis-interpritation is they are not free,i now am a freeman ,i still feel guilt when i sin but its different now i dont beat myself up over it.
Earlier this year i began in effect what was a bible study with the vicar and set about learning more about the god of love,so many thngs that i had been taught were 'truths' were becoming obvious were nowt short of lies,i began to understand real love and the real God i had never known.
The vicar had a poster on the wall and it was about salvation,it was very modern art in appearance,but looking at it opened another door of understanding,i wont bore you with the details but i then knew that images werent realy idolatory but a way of telling truth beyond words,the jw's shun all idolatory but they dont realise that the statues and icons arent really worshipped they are a gateway to God .
The trinity i thaught might be a hard one with the ideas i was indoctrinated with by the jw cult,but even the trinity made sense now 3 in 1,three entities in common purpose.
I found it hard to stop calling God jehovah but as time has gone on i use the name les and less in prayer,there is only 1 God and he knows my prayers are to him.
My family and I all attended the church for a furthur time period,earlier this year my wife and i both undertook a study course with a view of baptism and confirmation in the Anglican church,and on the 31st of October this year we we were both baptised and confirmed by the bishop of Ramsbury at Salisbury cathedral.
The actual baptism was not full immersion as i had experienced in the jw cult,it was just a dunking of the head under water,after which i fealt very different,then on to the confirmation by the bishop ,at this point things became so very different,i fealt good,i had worries still about life but they were no longer the be all and end all , i now knew the love of the true God,it went from knowing in my head to knowing in my heart,some would call it born again,in a sence it is but not in the way we all hate with those annoying perma-grin christians!
As i sit here this evening i can tell you all that all the past ,the jw cult my abusive mother and all the guilt and self hate are history,what they did to me does matter and allways will but i am now above the hate,i understand christs words on the cross 'forgive them father for they do not know what they do' i feel sorry for the jw's i wish i could help them all see the real truth,and as regards my mother,well for a while now ,almost 9 years since she died i fealt cheated ,that she had got away with what she did to me ,but now i am starting to forgive her,i feal no hate for her i feel sorry for the poor woman,the jw cult ensnared a mentally ill woman and used and abused her,took her worldly goods when she died and didnt even give her a funeral.
Rest in peace mother, Charmaine Dianne Winnifred Sanford,known to many as Ann Sanford. i pray for you.
To those of you that havent left yet due to the pressures of your families,dont hang in there,free yourself and maybe,just maybe your example will bring the family members round to seeing the truth too,
To those who left the cult and still believe the belifs we were all taught,i tell you this:you were fooled by a very clever organisation,ditch the NWT bible and get a real one that has not been messed with to fit evil teachings,read Gods word the bible daily. learn of Gods grace and so lose the guilt and self hate. It takes a long while to become indoctrinated by the witnesses it can take as long to realise it for what it is: lies and manipulation.
remember this, Jesus said love your neighbour and God not all the stuff the wittness cult loaded on us.
I am not a madman in taking up newfound religion ,there is a God and he is waiting for YOU.
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is the watchtower predicting the.
end by 2034 through subtle hints?.
the watchtower, december 15, 2003, pages 14 - 19. please be patient while the web page loads page scans of the watchtower article.
Is the Watchtower Predicting The
End By 2034 Through Subtle Hints? The Watchtower, December 15, 2003, Pages 14 - 19
Please be patient while the web page loads page scans of the Watchtower article
Noah preached 120 years until the time of the flood, which was the time of the end to Noah and his generation . The December 15, 2003 Watchtower article is paralleling Noah's day to our present day. The Society is adding a 120 years to the 1914 date to come up with the hinted date of 2034.
Words such as "Similar, Similarly, Similarity, Similarities, Parallel, Corresponds, Characteristic, Compare, Arklike and more are all through the article to back up their subtle and hinted claims.
Page 15, Paragraph 6 "In Noah's day, Jehovah declared: 'My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.' (Genesis 6:3) The issuance of this divine decree in 2490 B.C.E. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. Just think what that meant for those then living! Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring 'the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active from under the heavens.' - Genesis 6:17"
Page 15, Paragraph 7 "Noah received the warning of the upcoming catastrophe decades in advance and he wisely used the time to prepare for survival.' After being given divine warning of things not yet beheld,' says the apostle Paul, '[Noah] showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household.' (Hebrews 11:7) What about us? Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914. We are certainly in 'the time of the end.' (Daniel 12:4) How should we respond to warnings we have been given? 'He that does the will of God remains forever,' states the Bible. (1 John 2:17) Now is therefore the time to do Jehovah's will with a keen sense of urgency."
Page 15, Paragraph 9 "Jehovah has kept these warnings in front of his people by means of timely reminders through the spiritual food provided by 'the faithful and discreet slave'"....
copied from: http://www.jwfiles.com/2034.htm
so looks like they have a new way of conning innocent folk,feckin barstewards!
as i have mentioned before i now attend church and enjoy it very much,its the church of england and its very easy going,my wife attends the local comunity church which is pretty much born again christians and is doing the alpha course.
a couple of months ago the wife shot her finger with a catapult and broke the bone clean in two,this was realy hurting her and making her washing up job at the school very difficult,so one of the church members 79 year old dot,did the laying on of hands bit and the finger was cured ie mended!
no more pain or swelling,this has continued till this day,also when we had the car taken we were left with no transport and we live in a very rural location,all the cycling for the wifes work meant her ankles were in pain,big pain as in hobbling about, she went to the alpha course that evening ,dot prayed over her again and streight away could jump up and down and walk with no pain at all!
as i have mentioned before i now attend church and enjoy it very much,its the church of england and its very easy going,my wife attends the local comunity church which is pretty much born again christians and is doing the Alpha course. a couple of months ago the wife shot her finger with a catapult and broke the bone clean in two,this was realy hurting her and making her washing up job at the school very difficult,so one of the church members 79 year old Dot,did the laying on of hands bit and the finger was cured ie mended! no more pain or swelling,this has continued till this day,also when we had the car taken we were left with no transport and we live in a very rural location,all the cycling for the wifes work meant her ankles were in pain,big pain as in hobbling about, she went to the alpha course that evening ,Dot prayed over her again and streight away could jump up and down and walk with NO pain at all! now once is posssibly a coincidence but twice is defo a miricle,the wife had no real idea that such a thing could happen and cirtainly wasnt psycosamatic.
This old girl Dot has a well known ability to heal and is this week off to a leper colony in vietnam. This old girl does all these miricles with the help of the holy spirit yet witness' would just quote the ' oh well satan can perform miricles too ,appears as an angel of light ' crap,ever seen a witness healer? surely if gods spirit was with them they too would be doing it?!!
any one else had any experiences like this?
so this woman that i grew up with has sent me a friend request on facebook.
we've done a bit of back and forth "how are you" chat but i haven't accepted her request.. i can see she is still a jw because she belongs to some no-blood facebook group.. i do not want to be her friend on facebook.
i consider witnesses to be bad association and i severely limit the number of jw's i have on my facebook - only close family and people that i share close history with.. so what should i say to this woman?
get on and talk,dont use trigger words like 'appostate ' or 'wrong'. the person may be having a crisis of concience and you could help them out of the cult.
