Posts by dgp

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URGENT Advice Needed

by babygirl30 in

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hey everyone!.

i will be going into the hospital for surgery on tues...my first one ever!

the surgeon has gone over the procedure and informed me that it's 'bloody' and so she gave me all my options.

I think a lot of good advice has been given to you. I just would like to summarize it. You're no longer a JW, and therefore are not bound by their rules anymore. They pushed you out. Find someone who will consider preserving your life and wellbeing as the primary goal, and give that person authority to decide for you "just in case". Go to where people will do whatever it takes to save your life. Yes, ask the hospital to restrict visitors to those you can trust to save your life. Once you're out of the surgery, go recover where you will find unquestioning support for your decision to save your life, not to where they will criticize you for staying alive.

It is only natural to try to stay in touch with your parents now that you're undergoing surgery. They should provide you with all of their support. That's probably what they think they are doing; I don't think they have come to the point where they dont' care about you. The fact that your mother was crying over the elder's refusal to have anything to do with you is proof of this. They aren't helping you the way you would expect them to, or the way they should if they had a non-JW perspective, but don't let that get to you.

You have plenty of friends in this board. If it's not burdensome to you, once you're out of the surgery, keep us posted about your recovery. This kind of moral support is all we can do from the distance, but we'll do it for you.

I don't pray, but I have you in my mind, even though I have never seen your face.

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March WT: Dumb That Takes Your Breath Away?

by metatron in

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the cover article is "the bible-is it really god's inspired word?"..

this has got to be a new low in watchtower superficiality.

how do we know that isaiah and daniel were authentic despite the claims of critics?.

dgp

Marked for later.

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To what degree due you think "Internet killed the "Jehovah's Witness" radio star."

by Witness 007 in

i remember getting my first crapy computer for $200 bucks and clicking on the internet for the first time....i said to myself: "i may just look up my jehovah's witness brothers on here.....free minds watching the watchtower hmmm .

so the nails in my faith coffin began to be hammered in rip.

so how big an influence was the net in your leaving?.

dgp

The internet prevented me from joining, too.

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Which Governing body member will die next?? Will things change?

by Witness 007 in

i will review this post when it happens so.....prophecy time!

who will guess correct!

my $50 is on theodore jarc born in 1925?

dgp

Sapphy, there might be no Gorbachev around, but you have had plenty of Brezhnevs, Andropovs and Chernenkos. And more than your share of Nikita's :-).

What you really need is a Reagan. Someone who makes this governing bureau get into a race they can't win.

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Which Governing body member will die next?? Will things change?

by Witness 007 in

i will review this post when it happens so.....prophecy time!

who will guess correct!

my $50 is on theodore jarc born in 1925?

dgp

Leavingwt wrote:

Ray told us they sometimes fall asleep during the Governing Body meetings. So, one could make an argument that dead or alive, it doesn't make a lot of difference. The more senior, influential members of the Body will most likely prevail. The pressure to 'fall in line' when voting is tremendous, it would appear.

Ray also told us that it's not the people, but the set of practices and beliefs that keeps the organization the way it is. Those who disagree are forced out. I think that's why they have disfellowshipment for. As in Orwell's 1984, the Party, I mean, the governing body is "immortal" because it retains the same nature no matter who occupies the seats or falls asleep during the meetings.

I do think, however, that external pressure will have an effect. Older members will need to be replaced with younger men who hopefully grew in a different environment. I do think that deaths in the governing body will be a challenge in other ways. For example, since the Spanish language congregations are that important for the organization, and since being of the anointed is no longer important, when are they to appoint brother Roberto to the governing body? The WTS being distinctively American in nature, practice and administration, a governing body composed of non-Americans is unthinkable today. But, for how long? How are they to tell the Mexican brothers, as many and as (seemingly) fast-growing in number as they are, that they don't need to have a seat? Someone mentioned the College of Cardinals. Well, there are cardinals from around the world there. John Paul II was not Italian. Neither is Ratzinger. When is the WTS going to change to accomodate the fact that English is no longer the native language of the vast majority of the members? How can they acquire a truly multinational approach, beyond having so many translators?

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Happy Valentine

by dgp in

happy valentine, everyone!.

dgp

Happy Valentine, everyone!

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I and the Father are one. John 10:30.

by dgp in

i'm not that good at quoting the bible.

i see no value in learning verses by heart, sorry.

however, i just learned that in the new world translation (the organization's bible), john 10:30, jesus is said to say "i and the father are one".

dgp

Leec, I agree with you.

The wt position that the "oneness" referred simply to unity of purpose is not unreasonable.

But, is this the real meaning? There will never be an agreement as to that.

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I and the Father are one. John 10:30.

by dgp in

i'm not that good at quoting the bible.

i see no value in learning verses by heart, sorry.

however, i just learned that in the new world translation (the organization's bible), john 10:30, jesus is said to say "i and the father are one".

dgp

I'm not that good at quoting the Bible. I see no value in learning verses by heart, sorry. However, I just learned that in the New World Translation (the organization's Bible), John 10:30, Jesus is said to say "I and the Father are one". Question: Is Jehovah "one" with Michael the Archangel?

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Do you feel pity when you see JWs working hard for Jehovah?

by african GB Member in

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friends

does knowing that jws are not god-chosen organisation they claim to be break your heart when you see them do fs in extreme conditions, like during a hot summer day or in snow?.

dgp

I don't feel pity. I feel sad for you guys.

I do feel extremely sad to think that good, honest, sincerely believing people have given up medical treatment, careers, love, relatives and opportunities in life to work for an organization that is preaching a lie. I feel even more sadness when I think that, once they are old and useless, they will be tossed to a corner. I feel sad to think that they won't save for retirement because "the time left is reduced". I would feel terribly sad if someone I knew chose not to take a transfusion. Yes, I do.

I can't see the witnesses as I used to see them when I didn't know a thing about the organization. If only you guys could live with us, instead of just among us; if you could make the most out of your intelligence and opportunities in life, and if you were not compelled to bleed to death over a wrong doctrine, perhaps this wouldn't make me that sad. It would not kill more dreams than other things, such as politics, for example.

Or, if I could help at least one of you. My long abandoned and discredit Catholic faith hasn't lost one point it scored with me many years ago: that of sins of omission. I feel that not saying a word regarding your suffering, not caring about you guys because "that's your religion", that amounts to evil done out of inaction or, even worse, indifference.

I do feel sad to know that disfellowshipped ones work hard to be reinstated because they think they will die if they don't. Or to know that so many of you stay in the organization just because you don't want to lose family and friends.

Yes, I do feel sad.

Leec, field service pays nothing. It breaks my heart to think that good, sincere, hard-working people work long hours in menial jobs and then become the salespersons for an organization that has good money. They contribute with the means of transportation, the fuel, the time. They are the ones that get doors slammed in their faces. And, to what end?

Once upon a time I saw a young guy die in a demonstration. A rubber bullet "was shot" and "hit him" right next to his heart. The young man, in his early twenties, bled to death in the camera. And, his death was used as political excuse to extort more and more from the government. His life was precious, but someone didn't care, and manipulated the guy so he would give it willingly. This is what I feel when I see a hard working witness.

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The true and faithful believer must become an "Apostate"

by gubberningbody in

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friends

...if he or she would remain both true, and faithful.. "people who comprehend a thing to its very depths rarely stay faithful to it forever.

for they have brought its depths into the light of day: and in the depths there is always much that is unpleasant to see.

" - nietsche.

dgp

The person who is true and faithful to an idea is not true and faithful to an organization. That is why they leave the organization.