Posts by inbetween

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Morris in Italy

by Achille in

morris in italy, january 5, 2014. http://forum.infotdgeova.it/viewtopic.php?p=281371#p281371.

went to the movie theatre over the weekend to take in jack ryan (not bad) and saw the trailer for "noah" (russell crowe and a solid cast) whats the bet the dubs will be given a rule encouraged to examine their own consciences when attending this movie.

from what i hear its fairly true to the genesis account, but hey its hollywood with cgi at their disposal.. .

my guess is they will not be allowed to go until the gb 2.0 attend a screening at loews cineplex, grab some popcorn and pop and give it their blessing..

inbetween

"I`m pleased to see that Noah was an Australian , you pack of heathens . We are saved, your doomed .

smiddy"

so here is the answer, he brought the koala bears personally to Australia...

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Why would Adam or Eve choose the tree of knowledge instead of the tree of life.

by smiddy in

please help me out here .. in genesis 2:16 it says " and jehovah god also laid this command upon the man: from every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.

17 but as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it , for in the day you eat from it ,you will positively die.. ok we get that , but what about this ?.

wouldnt it make more sense to forbid the eating of the tree of life first ?

inbetween

to the OP:

I always wondered that myself, and one time a quite knowledgable return visit brought the idea, that it was part of Gods concept, that they regularly had to eat from the tree of life, otherwise they would die.

This kind of made sense, so I checked the library, and found an article (QFR I guess), which refuted the idea, without really giving a good reason.

Back then, still fully in, it puzzled me though, and I put it, as many other problems, just in the back of my mind.

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Does anyone know the curent understanding on Chess for JWs?

by BU2B in

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i seem to remember chess was frowned upon by some jws.

is this like the oral/anal sex policy?

just ignore it and hope it goes away...

inbetween

chess was never an issue, I learned about the AWake article of 73 here on the forum...

what was a bit questioned was risk, but even that, lots of JW played it in the early 90`s

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Do you think that the WT has gotten stranger as time goes by or is it that with distance comes perspective?

by 4thgen in

the preaching the jw.org thing is so strange.

the two generations "new light" is crazy.

but then again i look back at some of the things i believed and taught wonder 'what was i thinking'?

inbetween

How true, less crazy but annoying frequent demand of obedience, more rules and regulations...

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The new light changes from the draw close to Jehovah printed form vs online form.

by EndofMysteries in

the changes are in paragraph 7 and 8 in the first chapter of draw close to jehovah book, and i fail to see any doctrine change, only the gb trying to cover up possible mistakes they've made and potential embarrassment of worldly sources knowing what jehovah's name means while they were wrong.

let's examine this new light they quote with this letter.

let's see a word for word comparison on what many will be talking about in meetings about the wonderful new light and evidence that they are the faithful slave...... .

inbetween

interesting thought on Exodus 6:3, the WTS could never admit, that it means what it actually says, because that would mean, for a long period of time until Moses, which is 2500 years, for true worship knowing Gods name was not necessary...

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AUSTRALIA | Court Documents relating to the Blood Transfusion Ordered for a 17 year old Jehovah's Witness dying from blood cancer

by jwleaks in

australia | court documents relating to the blood transfusion ordered for a 17-year-old jehovahs witness dying from blood cancer.

jw leaks has published the two court judgments (march 28, 2013 and september 27, 2013) which resulted in an order allowing the sydney children's hospital (australia) to administer blood transfusions to a 17 year old jehovah's witness dying from blood cancer.. .

the child was represented by watchtower lawyer, vincent toole, who lost both cases, i.e.

inbetween

anybody know, if the boy was cured after receiving the tranfusion ?

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Is there anything you could do forever that wouln't get boring?

by mynameislame in

not sure when i came to this conclusion but i can't imagine living forever.

after a while i think i would be completly bored with everything.. not saying i wouln't like to live for a few hundred years or maybe even a few thousand if i could travel through space and discover other universes star trek style.

but the thought of living forever sounds like it would eventually become a complete drag.. maybe i'm wrong, maybe after a thousand years or so you would foregt all the stuff that happend at the beginning and just start over in an infinite loop..

inbetween

reading JWN

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Worst yb experience I have ever heard heartwrenching

by Skinnedsheep in

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he sold his bicycle.

malachi, an elder who lives in burundi, earned his living by farming and by transporting loads on his bicycle.

in order to support their kingdom hall construction project, malachi decided to be at the construction site every day.

inbetween

"Had anybody seen the film or read the play " Bicycle Thiefs" ?

If you havn't its a brilliant film and shows the stupidity of our frined Malachi.

I think all the W.T cares about are members in the western world with money and this is a guilt trip...."

thats exactly the point of these (real or fake) stories...

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Creation account in Genesis

by inbetween in

new year, bible reading program starts again with genesis.. still being in, i have to "deal" with it somehow, but the first time reading the account with a free mind, this brought some thoughts:.

i remember, in some old creation or evolution book of the society, some scientist was qouted saying, that the order of creation in the genesis account is in line with science, that it could possibly not be of human source.. but when reading it myself, i thought, well it sounds kind of messed up.

for example, it claims, that the stars were made after even the plants were created:.

inbetween

new Year, bible reading program starts again with genesis.

Still being in, I have to "deal" with it somehow, but the first time reading the account with a free mind, this brought some thoughts:

I remember, in some old creation or evolution book of the society, some scientist was qouted saying, that the order of creation in the genesis account is in line with science, that it could possibly not be of human source.

But when reading it myself, I thought, well it sounds kind of messed up. For example, it claims, that the stars were made after even the plants were created:

genesis 1: And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

ok, some try to expalin this away, by claiming that some kind of veil hindered the light of the already existing sun, moon and stars to shine through, but this is our interpretation in order to fit the genesis report into modern science. (see this site: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/model.html)

There is also the claim, that the bible, even though no scientific textbook, when it touches scientific subjetcs, it is accurate, and written in a way, that normal people back then would understand it.

Now here is my point, how would a person of old antiquity understand the genesis account, or rather how would he, not knowing modern science, describe it?

Well, he would start with what he considers the big framework of creation, the heavens and earth. Then God makes light, maybe the sun (after the earth obviously, since it circles around it !) then he would put in plants (even to ancient people, it seemed obvious, that animals eat plants, therefore plants need to be first), then maybe the animals, oh and the stars, which circle around the earth again and so forth...

Now how ould a creator really describe its works to simple people back then ?

maybe something like, ok, I made the heavens with the stars, the sun, then the earth, circling around the sun, then, the plants etc...

Its not hard to express it in simple words and still acurrate, but today, believers have to find excuses, explanations in order to fit the creation report into modern science...