and what about elder-meetings ? How often are false motives put into actions of the flock ?
He/she is working overtime because of materialism, he/she is missing meetings because of loving pleasures more than god, etc..
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Snares of the Devil - Questioning the motives of those who pioneer
by Quarterback inthe wt for today, can't remember exactly what paragraph, stated the dangers of the tongue.
it went further to mention that we wouldn't want to question the motives of a sister who was appointed in the congregation as a pioneer.
there was even a picture to add emphasis.. who on earth questions that?
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organisation necessary ?
by inbetween inthis weeks meeting, there was one talk about the need for an organisation, taken from the reasoning book.. the usual stuff, how would preaching be possible wiithout org, or the command (?
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however, i thought, the fact, that esp.
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This weeks meeting, there was one talk about the need for an organisation, taken from the reasoning book.
The usual stuff, how would preaching be possible wiithout org, or the command (?) from hebrews to gather together etc..
However, I thought, the fact, that esp. the preaching work needs an organisation proofs that they are not supported by a higher power. If god (in case he exists) really wanted a group of people to preach some good news, why does he need a human construct like an organized religion ?
Why not direkt individually with holy spirit his people ? That would actually be proof of his existence and his approval of this particular group of people. However, everything around the preaching work of JW, even if it might be an achievement on its own, can be explained being done with human efforts. Anybody who says different, I would challenge, to just stop the reporting, the pioneer-title etc,and see, how many witnesses keep going out as much as now...all these things are human techniques to get people working, a guilt and reward system, nothing divine to spot there...
My point: The existence of the org actually proofs, God is not with them...(quite the opposite of what JW are taught)
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The best way to help any JW out is to remain active
by Most Noble inattacking from the outside will always prove to be unproductive.
it is more effective to remain inside the domain while raising people's consciousness and letting them see all the flaws behind the farce.
i have tried it and i have gotten 47 people out in 6 months, while i am still seen as a publisher in good standing.. .
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oh, btw you also said:
"Creating website and the rest is just a bunch waste of time"
I have to strongly disagree, in JW-world, where critical or independent thinking is frowned upon, and expressing concerns openly easily ends up in a which hunt, the anonymity of the internet has been helping a lot of people, including myself, to learn about TTATT.
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JW saved by Bovine Blood Product
by cantleave innot sure if this has be posted before, i apologise if it has... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383586/cows-blood-saves-life-crash-victim-world-procedure.html.
doctors have saved the life of a woman car crash victim with the first ever use of cows blood.. tamara coakley, 33, rejected a life-saving conventional blood transfusion because of her jehovahs witness faith despite being close to death.. but in a worlds first procedure, a synthetic blood substitute made from cow plasma was used to revive the patient just as her heart was failing through severe blood loss.. the success of the procedure could help combat the worldwide blood supply shortage.. mrs coakleys religion permits the use of blood substitutes and doctors in melbourne, australia, flew in ten unites of the haemoglobin- based experimental plasma called hboc-2-1 from the united states where it is being developed by the military.. the cows blood product was painstakingly administered over two days to mrs coakley, who had been in a medically-induced coma following a horrific car collision last october.. after a few close calls, including a bout of pneumonia, the patients haemoglobin levels more than doubled.. mrs coakley was overwhelmed by the lengths doctors went to save her life and respect her personal choices.. more...ultimate health cocktail: scientists devise blend of 13 fruit juices so good for you it could lower heart disease risk .
im glad something positive could come out of it.
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"Mrs Coakley’s religion permits the use of blood substitutes and doctors in Melbourne, Australia, flew in ten unites of the haemoglobin- based experimental plasma – called HBOC-2-1 – from the United States where it is being developed by the military."
interesting, comes from the military, or even worse, probably developed by real doctors who enjoyed higher education, one of Satans snares....I feel like puking with soo much hypocrizy....
anyway on the hand, I´m happy that she could be saved, and that in some way, the whole blood doctrine is being undermined so much already...
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The best way to help any JW out is to remain active
by Most Noble inattacking from the outside will always prove to be unproductive.
it is more effective to remain inside the domain while raising people's consciousness and letting them see all the flaws behind the farce.
i have tried it and i have gotten 47 people out in 6 months, while i am still seen as a publisher in good standing.. .
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Though I´m still in not on my will, but due to family ties, I see the point, that it is for sure easier to help others, when you yourself are considered in good standing. Occasionally I carefully drop something here and there, but still, til now, I could not help anybody to leave, unless I would have risced my cover. One time a brother, whom I started to talk more open, even mentioned that he was shocked about some of my statements. It showed me to be more careful and also, that he is not ready, even though he himself mentioned some big points, that bothered him.
Most noble, while I see, where you coming from, and actually if you really stay in for helping others out (indeed most noble) I can by no means imagine, that in 6 months 47 people react like this, without you being cornered as apostate or at least dangerous association..
the org is like a dictatorial regime with enough traitors and spies, that one simply cannot trust...
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Do You Think"Any" Jehovah`s Witness Understands The Concept Of Cognitive Dissonance ? Are They Capable Of Comprehending The Meaning ?
by smiddy ini would appreciate your thoughts on the matter , with examples demonstrating their ignorance of the concept.. smiddy.
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never heard of it before coming to this "apostate" site ;-)
JW sometimes "feel" it though, I remember thinking, that some things do not add up or make sense, but in this case the "waiting for Jah" or "blaming youself" mode kicks in...
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Not sure if any comments made on Oct awake
by bobld inpage 19 disturbing news reports and your children.. what is the governing boby's point?that children under 13 should not watch news because of the violence?.
how about some disturbing news reports from the bible.
ishbosheth gets his head cutoff.. david kills 200 men and cut thier foreskins off (6 years old asks what are foreshins?).
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personally I found this article interesting, because they say this on page 21:
"The lesson? Make sure that you and
your children maintain a balanced perspective
of the news. The fact is, many
calamities are viewed as newsworthy
because they are relatively rare—not because
they are common."
Another hypocritical statement, since the WTS thrives on bad news in order to push their ideas of the last days, and even the dubs are encouraged to watch the news in order to find confirmation of fulfilling bible prophecies (wars, crime, violence etc)
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Not Sure What I Believe In Anymore
by nuthouse escapee ininside my head is a tangled ball of wool when it comes to what i believe.
i have days where i believe in a creator and other days when i don't.
then there are times when i refer to this as believing in 'something' but what exactly this something is, i have no idea.
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Totally understand what youre going through.
As others expressed its a journey, exiting and scary. Are we really alone, and only the product of some impersonal mechanism (evolution)?
Its hard to imagine.
Therefore sometimes I tend to believe in a somewhat personal first cause. However, I have to admit, when I try to see the world from a strict scientific viewpoint, there is more proof for the absence of a higher force than for its existence. Sure there are many questions about how life developed, and believers like to point the finger, however, if there was a creator who would like to be known, he could easily provide proof, and end all doubts about his existence.
Therefore, personally, I´m somewhere between believing nothing, and believing in some higher being, who has no particular interest in his work.
And I probably will never find out, whats the truth. This is something quite difficult for somebody who for years believed, he knows everything (as typical JW)
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Fantastic quote on jwfacts Sparlock article
by cedars ini'm not sure how long it's been up, but jwfacts has written his own article discussing the sparlock debacle - and it's a great piece of work.. here is the link.... http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/sparlock.php.
in the article he uses a fantastic quote from a 1994 awake!
magazine which reads as follows.... .
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just adding my 2 cents:
Being still in, and having almost exclusively JW friends (yes I know, its sad, but as a born in what choice do you have)
I know, how most JW will understand the WT lingo like this:
"A christian would not do this or that": Forbidden
"a conscience matter": actually do what you want, just dont make too much fuzz about it. Example the permission of civil services in about 1996, became a conscience matter, and practicall all male JW that i Know instead of being even ready to go to prison, started civil service.
The new trick to work with explicit pictures or even videos is more understood to be in the first category than in the second.
However, there are always some hardcore, who even interpret conscience matter as something forbidden....for them there is no change between the video and the awake article 1994.
However, most witnesses would feel a difference and a tightening grip, or as AM III pointed out, appreciate a more straight forward language ;-)
I see, why KS, as being no part of this special JW world, fail to see what impact certain mind controlling techniques have on witnesses.
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Did God Invent Swords? - Logic Fallacies and Anachronisms
by cognisonance inwe need not conclude that our loving creator was the first one to make what we know as swords.
adam and eve saw turning in front of the angels something that was blazing.
by the time moses wrote the book of genesis, swords were well-known and used in warfare.
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Hi tec, thanks for the reply, I always appreciate your comments, since they show a different perspective from most posters here, who tend towards atheism or agnosticism, so its good to have a balance, and for a good discussion differing viewpoints.
Regarding the sword-thing: its true, it came to symbolize more than just the use of it in war. However, this was later, its original purpose, as Moses and its readers must have understood, was its use as a weapon. Especially in connection with guards protecting something.