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  Inside Scientology and Escaping the Witnesses - Mon 24th channel 5

  by not bitter in

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  2. friends

  thats it really.

  uk channel 5 at pm mon 24th.. maybe its already been posted but sounds interesting.

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  Thank you for posting this. As Geoffrey Jackson himself stated, these groups need to have laws enacted so they are forced to do the right things. Scientology or JW or Moonies, or whatever ... they are no different. They are 'captive organizations' and are harmful to people.
  
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  Introducing Myself

  by Peony in

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  2. experiences

  i've finally got round to joining the site (after over 2 years lurking!

  i was born into jws, pioneered for 10 years (met my husband at pioneer school).

  had health issues that saw me catapulted away from 'the centre of the cong' and wow what a different place that was!

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  Welcome Peony! I do like your user name. I am very glad you were able to break free and no longer need depression medication. Amazing isn't it how miserable 'the happiest people on Earth' can become.

  I wondered why my Mom was so unhappy if 'having hope in Jehovah' was supposed to be so wonderful. Guess it isn't.
  
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  Ganged up via Telephone

  by vinman in

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  2. experiences

  i've been fading for about 9 months.

  the elders know exactly why.

  i received a phone call a couple of days ago.

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  I love it when you can use their own literature or the Bible against them. Awesome job vinman.

  Have you considered sending your compilation to the Australian Royal Commission?
  
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  Geoffrey Jackson on "corporal punishment"

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  here is another jackson's misleading answer, from the transcript of august 14 :.

  25 q. do you accept corporal punishment?

  29 a. not not personally, no, and not as an organisation 30 we don't encourage it.

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  I feel that this line of questioning from the ARC was very important as it shows the Watchtower is not always willing to follow, literally, the scriptures in the Bible.

  Which negates a lot of what they say about 'oh we have to follow the Bible' and their bull shite answer of 'We need you to make reporting of child sex abuse mandatory' because of this scripture here (quotes Proverbs 25:8-10) that says don't take your neighbour to court because if you lose you'll be shamed. I feel this is such a lame ass defense, personally.
  
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  Fruits of the Cult Tree

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  I like the skull in the tree.
  
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  How to give an anti witness on the ministry?

  by purrpurr in

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  i haven't turned in a report for months now.

  but if the elders start on me to go back out in the ministry i was thinking of giving an anti witness instead.

  by which i mean rather than the mags i could tell the house holder about the "loving provision of disfellowshipping" or maybe read them some of the many scriptures were god tells his people to commit ethnic cleansing, total genocide and raping of the captured girls.

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  Heaven

  purrpurr, I like it!

  I think if you have to go out, start being an ambassador for common sense and logic, warning people about JWs.

  "Hi. I'm a JW because all my family are. I'm knocking on your door today because it is mandatory that I hand out literature and try to recruit you to join. I just wanted to let you know that they are a dangerous cult so my recommendation is to not join them. Here is their latest literature where I've marked some of their destructive statements/beliefs/ideas/doctrines. Hope you have a great day."
  

  It would be cool if more awake JWs anti-witnessed if they are alone or follow Phizzy's kind of style.
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  The Org is terrified of apostates

  by SecretSlaveClass in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.

  all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).

  they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.

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  Heaven

  Fisherman said: Do you really think that the wts is concerned about anything at all?

  Have you seen their latest videos?

  They know people are going to leave over the pedophilia issue. They also need money because redress is coming... big time.
  
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  Meetings Are Really Getting Fun

  by OneFingerSalute in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so last night i got to have some more fun at the meeting.. the serve us indoctrination session was thirty minutes of interrogation and answers about the "these words must be on your heart" video.. question three was, "what scriptural formula leads to the best chance of success in raising children?

  " then before any answers the conductor had deut.

  6:6,7 read.

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  The Inside Apostate Army is striking blows and the Borg doesn't even know it.

  Good work gentlemen... carry on!

  
  
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  Guardians of Doctrine.

  by Pubsinger in

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  2. child-abuse

  i'm still working my way through the videos..... this has probably been covered before but had anyone else ever heard them use this phrase before?

  not me... but it's a clever and as per usual misleading choice of words.. if they are indeed guardians of doctrine, they are very poor ones.

  if so jws would believe the same thing now that they did in 1879 and we all know that's not true.

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  Paul Grundy being interviewed on ABC 612 right now

  by Anonymous1 in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.abc.net.au/radio/stations/local_brisbane/live?play=true

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  Excellent interview, Paul. I agree that removing the emotions and presenting hard facts and evidence is key to helping people who are mislead. My parents would often times get angry or snarky with me. I tried to remain calm in these situations and just continue with logical questions and statements. It showed who was being reasonable and who was not. Sometimes you can't convince them right off but it can help to at least plant seeds for them. It is their choice whether they wish to use those seeds to grow further.
  

  My advice to all young JW's is never get baptized. If you are to 'imitate Jesus' then wait until adulthood as he did. Luckily, my Mom believed the same. The teenage years are critical for children to develop their own identities. Baptism is unwise during this time. It was during this time period I began to doubt, not just JWs but all religion, the Bible, and God. If you don't get baptized, then you are not a formal, dedicated Jehovah's Witness, and therefore, you can't be disfellowshipped.
  

  As a teenager, I wasn't really aware of this legality to be honest. But I could not dedicate myself to a set of beliefs I did not agree with. So... I never got baptized. My parents did not shun me, although they did withdraw to a certain degree and they did treat me badly at times. But I think this was my saving grace in terms of being able to maintain a relationship with them.