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  Guardians of Doctrine.

  by Pubsinger in

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  i'm still working my way through the videos..... this has probably been covered before but had anyone else ever heard them use this phrase before?

  not me... but it's a clever and as per usual misleading choice of words.. if they are indeed guardians of doctrine, they are very poor ones.

  if so jws would believe the same thing now that they did in 1879 and we all know that's not true.

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  Paul Grundy being interviewed on ABC 612 right now

  by Anonymous1 in

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  http://www.abc.net.au/radio/stations/local_brisbane/live?play=true

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  Excellent interview, Paul. I agree that removing the emotions and presenting hard facts and evidence is key to helping people who are mislead. My parents would often times get angry or snarky with me. I tried to remain calm in these situations and just continue with logical questions and statements. It showed who was being reasonable and who was not. Sometimes you can't convince them right off but it can help to at least plant seeds for them. It is their choice whether they wish to use those seeds to grow further.
  

  My advice to all young JW's is never get baptized. If you are to 'imitate Jesus' then wait until adulthood as he did. Luckily, my Mom believed the same. The teenage years are critical for children to develop their own identities. Baptism is unwise during this time. It was during this time period I began to doubt, not just JWs but all religion, the Bible, and God. If you don't get baptized, then you are not a formal, dedicated Jehovah's Witness, and therefore, you can't be disfellowshipped.
  

  As a teenager, I wasn't really aware of this legality to be honest. But I could not dedicate myself to a set of beliefs I did not agree with. So... I never got baptized. My parents did not shun me, although they did withdraw to a certain degree and they did treat me badly at times. But I think this was my saving grace in terms of being able to maintain a relationship with them.
  
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  If jw's obeyed all of the bible commandments what would they be like?

  by purrpurr in

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  2. beliefs

  the jw's cite abstaining from blood along with other cherry picked commandments.

  but then ignore the others.

  this is very hippocritical and if they are going to obey one commandment they should be obeying the rest.. just as a bit of fun then... what would jw's be like if they obeyed every rule in the bible?.

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  I, for one, don't give a rats a$$ about what Timothy wants.
  
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  Guardians of Doctrine.

  by Pubsinger in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i'm still working my way through the videos..... this has probably been covered before but had anyone else ever heard them use this phrase before?

  not me... but it's a clever and as per usual misleading choice of words.. if they are indeed guardians of doctrine, they are very poor ones.

  if so jws would believe the same thing now that they did in 1879 and we all know that's not true.

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  Thought this might be appropriate :

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvJXf8aEVRA
  
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  Geoffrey Jackson's Golden Apple watch INVESTIGATED

  by C0ntr013r in

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  2. scandals

  i went through the original footage to get a good look at the watch.. from these pictures we can probably say that it is a apple watch and that it has a golden color.

  the color on the pin is black, and the band is white, grey, silvery or beige.. .

  the pin is in the exact place for it to be a apple watch.. only apple watch edition have the gold color.

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  Jesus advised: Sell all the things you have.

  Heaven's advice... Go f@#k yourself Jesus.
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  4 versions of Jesus resurrection- all different

  by purrpurr in

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  i've been reading more and studying about the bible .

  it was brought to my notice that out of the four different versions of jesus resurrection they do not back each other up.

  instead they contradict each other a lot.

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  The explanation that needs to be given is how a dead person can come back to life after being dead for 3 days.
  

  "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
  
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  Guardians of Doctrine.

  by Pubsinger in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i'm still working my way through the videos..... this has probably been covered before but had anyone else ever heard them use this phrase before?

  not me... but it's a clever and as per usual misleading choice of words.. if they are indeed guardians of doctrine, they are very poor ones.

  if so jws would believe the same thing now that they did in 1879 and we all know that's not true.

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  Hey PS... nope, I've not heard of it but then, I've not really been 'in' since I was a kid and back then, the GB were not as prevalent as they are today.

  I noticed another term GJ used was "Custodians of Doctrine". He said "They publish literature to help people".

  In my opinion, I don't think it's helping.
  
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  GB member Geoffrey Jackson is lying!

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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  okay, i know the royal commission hasn't started yet.

  but i'm confident enough that he will be telling some whoppers.

  so i thought i'd be the first to get a thread started for something that will begin... very soon now!.

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  Vidiot said:Authoritarian leaders don't suffer from cognitive dissonance; they "compartmentalize"...

  ...it's how they can "know it's wrong" but "believe it's true" at the same time.

  Doh! Sounds like something psychotics do. Wikipedia states people with 'borderline personality disorder' use this.

  
  

  
  

  'Nuff said.
  
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  "We don't run a spy network"

  by OrphanCrow in

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  the wts has been keeping case files on child sex abuse for over 60 years that we know of.

  *damn...my whole post disappeared.... .

  the wts has been keeping case files on child sex abuse for over 60 years that we know of.

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  "We don't run a spy network"

  I call bull shite Geoff!
  
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  Perfection? Ponder this...

  by OverlappingGeneralizations in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello all- nice forum.i have been contemplating a fade for a while, and i have been reading various sites such as this one.

  i have seen all kinds of things that have made me think.

  but something came to mind lately, and i wanted to throw it out there-satan was cast down to the earth, and he is supposedly the cause of all imperfection.

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  Welcome OG!

  If you start looking at the logic of Biblical and religious claims, you are going to see flaws.
  

  On a side note ... what do you think of Isaiah 45:7?

  Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. - KJV