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  4 versions of Jesus resurrection- all different

  by purrpurr in

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  2. beliefs

  i've been reading more and studying about the bible .

  it was brought to my notice that out of the four different versions of jesus resurrection they do not back each other up.

  instead they contradict each other a lot.

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  The explanation that needs to be given is how a dead person can come back to life after being dead for 3 days.
  

  "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
  
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  Guardians of Doctrine.

  by Pubsinger in

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  2. child-abuse

  i'm still working my way through the videos..... this has probably been covered before but had anyone else ever heard them use this phrase before?

  not me... but it's a clever and as per usual misleading choice of words.. if they are indeed guardians of doctrine, they are very poor ones.

  if so jws would believe the same thing now that they did in 1879 and we all know that's not true.

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  Hey PS... nope, I've not heard of it but then, I've not really been 'in' since I was a kid and back then, the GB were not as prevalent as they are today.

  I noticed another term GJ used was "Custodians of Doctrine". He said "They publish literature to help people".

  In my opinion, I don't think it's helping.
  
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  GB member Geoffrey Jackson is lying!

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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  2. child-abuse

  okay, i know the royal commission hasn't started yet.

  but i'm confident enough that he will be telling some whoppers.

  so i thought i'd be the first to get a thread started for something that will begin... very soon now!.

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  Vidiot said:Authoritarian leaders don't suffer from cognitive dissonance; they "compartmentalize"...

  ...it's how they can "know it's wrong" but "believe it's true" at the same time.

  Doh! Sounds like something psychotics do. Wikipedia states people with 'borderline personality disorder' use this.

  
  

  
  

  'Nuff said.
  
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  "We don't run a spy network"

  by OrphanCrow in

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  2. child-abuse

  the wts has been keeping case files on child sex abuse for over 60 years that we know of.

  *damn...my whole post disappeared.... .

  the wts has been keeping case files on child sex abuse for over 60 years that we know of.

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  "We don't run a spy network"

  I call bull shite Geoff!
  
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  Perfection? Ponder this...

  by OverlappingGeneralizations in

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  2. beliefs

  hello all- nice forum.i have been contemplating a fade for a while, and i have been reading various sites such as this one.

  i have seen all kinds of things that have made me think.

  but something came to mind lately, and i wanted to throw it out there-satan was cast down to the earth, and he is supposedly the cause of all imperfection.

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  Welcome OG!

  If you start looking at the logic of Biblical and religious claims, you are going to see flaws.
  

  On a side note ... what do you think of Isaiah 45:7?

  Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. - KJV
  
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  If jw's obeyed all of the bible commandments what would they be like?

  by purrpurr in

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  2. beliefs

  the jw's cite abstaining from blood along with other cherry picked commandments.

  but then ignore the others.

  this is very hippocritical and if they are going to obey one commandment they should be obeying the rest.. just as a bit of fun then... what would jw's be like if they obeyed every rule in the bible?.

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  The adult male members would have to circumcize the adult male recruits if they weren't already circumcized.
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  Ashley Madison hack data dump on the net

  by MaybeSo in

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  2. scandals

  some jws will be on the list?

  would you bring it up if you saw someone you know in there?

  in the meantime, i'll be back... got to see if my credit card has been opened longer than i've been married to say it was back when i was single.

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  So where is this actual list? Can it get posted here?
  
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  Jackson Vs Lett and Morris: Pedophile Fiasco

  by BashfulAshG in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  so jackson admits that there's a problem in the jw community with pedophiles, but lett says that it isn't true that jw are permissive to pedophiles.

  also, morris says that jws where ahead of the game with the 1980s watchtower by blaming homosexuals for pedophilia.

  hmm...seems legit.

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  I think one of the problems this group is about to or is already facing is a pool of 'qualified' men to lead it.

  If elders and MS's are stepping down, if people leave, they'll have no one to run the Borg. So what happens in this case? They have to lower their standards to allow for a broader group of men to lead. They may even have to issue nu-lite that 'the women' can now be appointed.

  ( Just as an aside, that term 'the women' grates on my nerves like there's no tomorrow! )
  
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  Royal Commission of institutions into child sexual Abuse in Australia.

  by smiddy in

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  2. child-abuse

  by their own admission the jehovah`s witnesses have acknowledged to the royal commission that 1006 child sex abuse cases against members of their religion have been handled in house.. 1006 cases over 65 years , equals to more than one , every month , every month , every year , for the next 65 years.. a judicial committee consists of 3 elders ,so 3 elders handled 1006 sexual abuse cases over 65 years equals 3018 elders who know about this abuse and never contacted the authorities .either police or ,child protection services .. what sort of morals or ethics do these so called christians have ?.

  smiddy.

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  I think that it is becoming very clear in all this that the GB's use of the Bible and Holy Spirit isn't working.

  These men need the secular authorities to enact mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse to force them to do the morally upright thing.
  
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  Jehovah's Witness Leader: There's a 'Spiritual Dilemma' in Reporting Sexual Abuse

  by defender of truth in

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  2. child-abuse

  the article is a good summary to show people who are too busy to read the transcript.

  the main points are covered, without jackson's waffling... this is my favourite quote:.

  jackson also testified that while there havent been any particular discussion among church leadership about apologizing to victims of sexual abuse, its perceivable that they might consider doing so.

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  The GB wants secular authorities to make reporting child abuse mandatory to help the GB do the right thing. This is key right here.
  

  After that, all bets are off unless it is a law that victims must be compensated. The GB will do nothing that they said they would consider unless there is a law stating they must.