Minimus... my heart goes out to you and your family. It sounds like your Mom didn't let the Borg poison her love for you. She's a good lady. I hope she does not suffer too much.
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124My Mom Is Dying
by minimus ini just wanted to say that my dear 89 year old mom is terminally ill and will soon pass.
she is on morphine and hanging on.
she has been a devout witness for about 60 years and a wonderful mother.
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"Billions now living will all die"
by stuckinarut2 inyep, everyone who has ever lived has died.... and witnesses teach that every nonwitness deserves to be killed at armageddon ..... how many are born each day?
yet, how many become witnesses each day?.
so the longer it takes for armageddon come, the more people will die?
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stuck said: How many are born each day? Yet, how many become witnesses each day?
Back in the 1970s, I was a teenager and being told that the JW's 'preach to all the inhabited Earth'. Uh, yeah, right. My bull shite meter went off (of course). So I did some simple math and it showed this is impossible.
There are far too many people on the Earth and far too few Witnesses to accomplish this task. This is still the case today.
And with the discovery of remote tribes in various areas of the world, for example the Amazon rainforest, it is obvious these people are still living the way they have for thousands of years. Aerial photographs clearly show they aren't Christian, let alone Jehovah's Witnesses. For one thing, these people are naked. GASP!
How would JWs preach to these people? They have no idea what language they speak. It would take years to be able to learn this and then print publications for them. Seriously, these people do NOT have the internet let alone devices and power to connect to the web. Is Botchtower prepared to set these people up with all of this? I highly doubt it.
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A MODERN FICTION: the lie which became a GOVERNING BODY
by TerryWalstrom insafe to say, if you walked up to any of the 8 million jehovah's witnesses on earth today and told them the.
governing body was a fiction, not only would they refuse to believe you--they'd consider you their immediate enemy!.
what if i told you jw's embrace a mental construct which is at odds with history?.
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Terry said: What if I told you JW's embrace a mental construct which is at odds with history?
I just wanted to say that I find ALL religious people embrace mental constructs at odds with history. Faith requires, demands even, that you let go of rational, logical, critical thinking skills. When facts contradict faith, the faithful side with faith. Because if they don't, the life they've built on this tenuous house of cards comes crashing down. We know because we've all been through it. The faithful make a choice NOT to deal with factual truth and reality but to just accept and obey. The faithful also seem to need to have someone else interpret scripture for them.
Terry said: I'd love to be able to talk to somebody who has been in, and remained in, since the 1950's who could talk about all the changes. I know there is an infinite capacity to make excuses. That is a given. But, surely there is a cumulative sense that the world has turned under the feet of the older ones and nothing is really the same anymore except the name Jehovah's Witness.
Terry, I think my Father had his doubts as he grew older. He wasn't 'in' back in the 1950s, only becoming 'dedicated' around 1986. He's experienced a lot and there have been a lot of changes even since then.
After the death of a really close friend of his back around 2004-2005, my Dad started calling me a lot more. We've had a lot of discussions since then. I should attempt to document them one day. In 2009, my Dad told me he thought he had dementia. He was correct. In 2010, he realized he was going to die (which also means I think he realized he would die without Armageddon arriving. He was convinced it would come sometime in 2009-2010 and it did not). My Dad is still alive, he is now in a nursing home, and no longer remembers his religion.
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Imitating Jesus with a goatee vs Elders
by brandnew inok.....ya gotta hear this ......pops, who is 80 + , slightly nacisistic, slight case of alzheimers, and a stubborn good ol man.. decided to grow a pretty nice lookin goatee this week..... elders swooped on him so quick, it was crazy....... pops looked like he was diggin the whole show of testosterone being flung in his face , but he stood his ground and smiled.... when the dust settled, and pops had his say..... he replied......"im imitating jesus, and jehovah "....!!!!.
omg...the smile on my face, and the one on my dads was priceless......along with the frowns on theirs... thats all....just wanted to share that..
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brandnew, your Dad is at an age where he's probably starting to realize that this whole Armageddon deal is a non-starter and that he is very likely going to die. My Dad realized that too, about 5 years ago. Time for your Pops to have a little fun. The rebel in him is coming out. Way to go Pops!
The whole dementia/Alzheimer's thing makes any religious person a sinner because they do things that are either against social norms/morals, dangerous/harmful, or illegal as the rational, logical part of the brain is breaking down. I know... my Dad was the same.
Edited to add: If he has dementia, wait 'til he walks around naked in front of you for the first time (unless he's done this before when you and he were a lot younger). That was a real shocker for me! My Dad's urinating and spitting on my carpet and floor was another one. I could go on... but everyone has other things to do.
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Anthony Morris III: Jehovah Blesses Obedience
by wifibandit inhttp://tv.jw.org/#video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201509_1_video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9j7qs7bvm.
obey.
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Vidiot said: Reminds me of another little story about a BS conductor who lost his temper a bit during the comments, and blurted out, "I don't care what the Bible says, I care about what the Watchtower says!"
freemindfade said: I remember an elder in my hall 6 years ago saying at times from the stage even if somehow this wasn't the truth, there is no better way to live, or I would still be a witness. I thought it was messed up to say that then, now I would flip my lid.
THIS, right here, screams cult members. Some people seem to want this.
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Help Me Undertand...
by DarioKehl inaccording to the 2014 annual report:.
"worldwide, there are 115,416 congregations of jehovahs witnesses and 8,201,545 publishers.".
i don't understand how the borg is facing financial difficulty.
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Child abuse lawsuits including redress from the ARC may be one reason.
Zalkin said he had quite a number in the pipeline in the U.S. And isn't there U.K. cases or some kind of similar investigation like the ARC happening?
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Brooklyn Layoffs and Halt to Kingdom Hall construction projects
by James Jack ina good source just just told me that at morning worship today that the governing body announced that a total of 1600 bethelites will be let get go and not transferred to warwich when the last property is sold in brooklyn and all kingdom hall building projects are on hold for at least a year so that all the focus will be on the preaching work.
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What I said to an Elder and the matter was dropped.
by Simon Templar ini decided to tell this small story.. about 25 years ago, we lived in a certain area in the usa and associated with the local congregation there.
coincidently, one of the elders was the assistant congregation servant in a different kh and congregation which i grew up in.
therefore, we knew one another well.
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Once you base your intellect on a foundation of myth and fantasy, you've crossed the line into delusion, irrationality, and psychosis.
My Mom accused me of doing bad things. When I asked her to tell me what these bad things were, she snarked back at me and said : "Well I don't know what they are! But I know you do them."
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Why did you choose Jehovahs Witnesses?
by vinman ini'm wondering why ones on this forum initially became jw's.
if you were born in, why did you make it "your own"?
if you became one later, what was your draw and driving force?
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I'm 3rd gen, born-in, never baptized. I have a very analytical, logical mind which cannot work in a world that accepts myth and fantasy as reality and fact. -
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Disfellowshipping by Jehovah’s Witnesses: A Brief History - Great article
by defender of truth indespite the governing bodys best efforts, members do leave the faith.
the governing body insists there is no valid reason for leaving the religion.
in fact, their brand new brochure, return to jehovah, lists only three reasons why someone might leave the religion: misplaced guilt, being mad at a witness, and being busy with life.. but of course, there are several valid reasons for walking away from the faith, all of which are much more damning than the sanitized reasons the watchtower society lists.
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Heaven - "...I suspect it works well enough that Botchtower won't stop using it until it becomes illegal."
Vidiot said: Hmph.
As if that would stop them.
Vidiot, you may be correct. However, my statement is based on Geoffrey 'That's not my area of expertise' Jackson's position during the ARC that secular authorities have to make reporting of child rape mandatory in order to force JW's to actually do this. Perhaps laws need to be enacted on all the negative, harmful doctrines of Botchtower.
