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  My Story Part I - My Parents

  by Farkel in

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  part 1 - my parents.

  it's a funny thing, time.

  notwithstanding einstein's relativity, time means vastly different things throughout life.

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  trebor

  Farkel, thank you for sharing.

  I hope writing helps you as I know it helps others to read your life experience.

  You and your writings are appreciated.

  -trebor
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  Flying to Orlando tomorrow, my daughter is in the hospital

  by coffee_black in

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  my daughter is in the hospital with pneumonia, and possibly a blood clot in her lung.

  they'll be testing through the night...apparently, her heart is enlarged as well.

  she is scared... and if her jw father catches wind of it, he will be there trying to intefere with her treatment... he lives close by to her, so i'll be flying down in the morning....to head him off at the pass.

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  Best wishes and thoughts to your daughter and the rest of your family.

  Stay positive and strong!

  -Trebor
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  romans 13:1-7

  by serein in

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  can anyone tell me what this means,.

  does it mean like a religiouse group does it measn like i have to do what the gb says cos god aloud em to be here and what ever tell me what u think, does iit just mean goverments of this world or does it mean religiose ones.

  im confused..

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  Another case of the flip-flops for Jehovah's Witnesses...

  Superior Authorities (Romans 13:1)...
  
  -1886 = Worldly Governments or Authorities
  [Studies in the Scriptures Series I - The Divine Plan of the Ages (1886 edition) page 250]
  
  -1916 = Worldly Governments or Authorities
  [Studies in the Scriptures Series I - The Divine Plan of the Ages (1916 edition) page 266]
  
  -1929 = Jehovah God and Jesus Christ
  [Watchtower June 1 and June 15, 1929]
  
  -1950 = Jehovah God and Jesus Christ
  [This Means Everlasting Life (1950) page 197]
  
  -1962 = Worldly Governments or Authorities
  [Babylon the Great Has Fallen! God's Kingdom Rules! (1962) page 548]
  
  -1990 = Worldly Governments or Authorities[Watchtower November 1, 1990, page 11]
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  How do Jehovah's Witnesses interpret the Bible?

  by brotherdan in

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  this is the information for the number 3 talk this week.. how do jehovahs witnesses arrive at their explanation of the bible?.

  a key factor is that the witnesses really believe that the bible is gods word and that what it contains is there for our instruction.

  (2 tim.

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  Matthew 24.45-46 proves that there must be some over other who give spiritual food to those who are under the rule of that faithful servant.

  FAIL. The Watchtower Society says and you believe Matthew 24:45-46 proves the aforementioned. There is nothing in the bible that proves a person or group would appear in the late 1800's/early 1900's that would be the faithful servant or a so-called faithful and discreet slave "class". This is a notion and concept to justify the organization's leadership authority.

  The Watchtower Society's governing body believes they have the authority and power to pick and choose what to apply, how to apply it, what refers to whom, what is symbolic, what refers to a group, or group of people, and what belongs to individuals.

  Just because you like the story they tell and how they put together the pieces, doesn't make it TRUTH. It just makes you a follower/believer of their interpretation of matters, despite the hypocrisy and flip-flopping in their teachings.
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  Keep Your Family, Follow Ray Franz' Example. Think Smart!

  by believingxjw in

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  i feel terrible for those who have lost their families.

  after reading coc, and after the shock of it, many of us hurried to leave and hurried to get our families out only to find ourselves on the outs with our loved ones.

  but is that the best or only option?

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  Many here have children and grandchildren and want to remain a support and a wall for them as long as they can and give a spiritual nudge now and then...and why not?!!!!

  For me, I would be concerned if that child or grandchild needed a blood transfusion and then I sat back and 'supported' the decision not to have one, or it was perceived I supported the organization's view on matters, when I know their full of it and themselves. So even if I was to come forward at that moment in time, the family member (Or even a friend) may perceive that I was 'compromising' for their sake; and they become more resilient and further indoctrinated and convinced to stay in (Or die for) the organization.

  It is an extremely difficult decision to make, and certainly each circumstance is different. Respecting my predicament...My wife, her parents, my parents and all my siblings, as well as my entire mother's side of the family was a member of the organization.

  I did not read CoC prior to leaving, but rather due to my own research from the Society's own WT CD followed up with additional research (Organ transplant flip-flop, and women guily of fornication if raped and didn't scream, were just starters for the ball to roll; thanks Watchtower writers). Once I knew it was all a big lie, I gathered all my research and brought it to my wife's attention...Not knowing what her reaction or the results would be once I spoke with her.

  I knew I couldn't look myself in the mirror and live a lie or be something I'm not...I do not believe it makes me better than anyone else or my choice the ideal one, but one that was in harmony with my integrity, ethics, and values...For me, I rather lose everyone and everything than my life be a lie or support something as dishonest and disingenuous as the Watch Tower Bible Tract Society; which I believe is exactly what I would be doing if I did not leave the organization.

  Thankfully, my wife saw the real truth about the Watchtower organization and left with me. We compiled together a 'mini-book' so to speak and mailed it out overnight express to our parents and my siblings.

  Gratefully, my in-laws understood and also woke up from the cult tactics and teachings. My parents, siblings and entire mother's side of the family shun all of us still trapped inside the organization mentally.

  Nonetheless, I would do things no differently; despite how much I love and miss the family which shuns me. They are too indoctrinated and caught up in the lie to break free (For now). I continue to hope for the best, but realize life must go on...The leaders behind Jehovah's Witnesses and their teachings and practices have already taken too much and wasted so much of me and my life. There is some good, but all could be found elsewhere or by better means. Slave labor and cult indoctrination for loyalty to an organization and its leaders above everything else is something that should be avoided at all costs.

  -trebor
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  Nostalgia

  by d in

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  does anybody here feel nostalgic for old tv and cartoons.it seems that with time televsion has gone down hill.i rember cartoons of the 90's and i see what is on tv now and i just lose interest, does anybody feel like that at times?

  i know i do..

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  Before cable become widespread, and all you had were channels 2-13...Saturday mornings on channels 2 (CBS), 4 (NBC), 7 (ABC) = Saturday Morning cartoons.

  During the week it was channels 5 (WNYW, Now "Fox") and 11 (WPIX, Now "WB") for after school cartoons.

  Those were the best (times) for me. Late 70's and 80's child...And still one...At heart.

  -trebor
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  JW woman dies in car accident out in the "work"--where was the holy spirit?

  by blondie in

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  http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/traffic/mazda-crushed-by-truck-friday-carried-four-women-938492.html.

  mazda crushed by truck friday carried four women headed out to share word as jehovah's witnesses; one diedbysonja isgerpalm beach post staff writer.

  updated: 6:57 p.m. sunday, sept. 26, 2010. posted: 1:33 p.m. sunday, sept. 26, 2010. .

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  I delivered a talk several years ago which dealt with the issue of 'Divine Protection'. Sweeping away any and much logic or common sense and after much double talk, the focus was purely on 'Divine Approval'.

  It came down to it not mattering whether Jehovah protects you, your family or your friends. After all, this life is temporary and the 'real life' (You know where you're petting snakes, panda bears, and lions) is what we're working towards. Whether we live a relatively long life or short life in this system is irrelevant.

  What is relevant when we die is the name we made for ourselves. We make a good name for ourselves by doing everything the Society and the Society's publications say. After all that's God's way of communicating with us, through His earthly organization better known as the Watch Tower and Bible Tract Society.

  I can't believe I actually gave Public Talks, School and Service Meeting parts spewing this baloney.

  -Trebor
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  What's the saddest movie you've ever seen?

  by JimmyPage in

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  i'm asking because i just watched "the road".

  it may not be the saddest but it's up there.

  "my sister's keeper" was a real tearjerker too..

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  Tie between Laddar 49 and Marley & Me - Not the entire movie - but just the gut wrenching parts.

  Marley & Me especially as a person who loves dogs.
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  Was it ever in your heart?

  by mamalove in

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  i don't think it ever was in my heart, that is why i have found it relatively easy to leave and not be scared of the fear belief system.

  i feel kind of bad for people here who were so immersed that they still get these weird twinges of armageddon fears, etc.

  that has to be difficult to still have that looming feeling.

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  I was born into it and believed it and served the organization with all my heart and soul - Of course serving the organization with the belief of I was serving Jehovah. I made irreversable and forever changing desicions which have permanently affect my life, and has had devestating and severe consequences as a result of believing the Watchtower Bible Tract Society backed organization of Jehovah's Witnesses was "the truth".

  It is bitter sweet that after spending 3 decades in the cult-like religion that I was able to escape it. Almost my entire side of the family is still trapped in it, but my wife's parents also escaped. The rest of my wife's family have never been 'recruited'.

  Getting back on track with the topic, not only my heart, but everything I had was in "it". "It" ended up being nothing more but another high level control group with cult-like tactics and teaching techniques.

  -Trebor
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  Show us your first post!

  by sacolton in

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  here's mine:.

  i just disassociated myself after nine long years in the wtbts after researching the history of the wtbts and its founders and their lies, false prophecies and mind-control doctrines.

  read my profile for more about that.

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  I recently referenced it in another post...Here it is:

  First thanks to all for this board and forum and all the stories, information and thoughts that are shared. I have been a lurker now for almost a year, and now that “newbies” can get on board, here I am.

  Here's my story. I'll try to keep it brief. Baptized at 15 and made Ministerial Servant by 19. My father, mother, siblings and entire side of my mother's family are Jehovah's Witnesses. Literally, the girl next door was good friends with my sister and I took an interest in her. She studies with my sister and was baptized. Shortly thereafter, we were engaged and then married. I have been happily married to Mrs. Trebor close to a decade, and both of us are no longer Jehovah's Witnesses by choice.

  The in-between… I guess for me (and probably many others) there was always doubts, but had the mind-controlled rationale of "Where Else to Go", "It's the Best Thing Out There". However, as far as I can recall the real turning point for me was the acceptance of blood fractions...It just didn't add up. It's either you were abstaining from blood or you're not. Nonetheless, for years I just chalked it up as the Society allowing people to make their own "bible-trained" decision without really following through on the logic.

  In doing some research on the Watchtower Library CD, I came across their previous stance(s) on Organ Transplants, and I knew then and there all bets were off. I did my digging and research discovering the plethora of evidence and facts which totally discredited the Watchtower Society and the contradictions and flip-slops which abounded.

  Probably out of all of it the thing which shook me up the most was the Society's previous stance on the issue of rape. Always being a supporter and believer of protecting women especially against violent acts.

  It had been several weeks and I had yet to mention anything to my wife; so I put all my research together. I prayed about it and showed everything to my wife. She was as crushed as I was and thankfully came to the same conclusions I did concerning the organization.

  Now what to do about my family, here's where it became really tricky. Our families were pretty close. Not only was my wife friends with my sister, she was relatively close to my other siblings as well. Furthermore, my mother and mother-in-law were good friends. The icing on the cake is my wife and I studied with my In-Law parents for years and assisted in bringing them into the organization!

  There is more surrounding this predicament, which I will save you from reading, but what was ultimately decided and the most "fair" thing my wife and I could do was inform our families all at once. Considering some lived ~20 miles away, while others close to 2000 miles away, we put together a mini-book (~60 pages) with a letter explaining everything, and mailed it out next day service overnight.

  I left voice (Already type written and then read) messages with several Elders including the statement it was our God-giving and legal right to our decision, and admonished them to not harass us to prevent further action from being taken. We have not been bothered since.

  The reaction to the letter and book to our family was mixed, resulting with my wife's parents listening and ultimately disassociating themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses, while the rest of my family - outside of my father - shunning us. My father “kind of” still talks to us.

  I'll spare you further details for now, but for you reading including any lurkers, understand despite the heartache, pain and sacrifice, I made the right choice and could not be a hypocrite and live the lie. I made the choice when I first discovered the facts - that I could not ignore them and pretend. I was ready to sacrifice it all for the (real) truth. I still have my wife and In-Laws, but indeed have great lost in the way of family and friends. Regardless, it is still worth it and I advise everyone and anyone who is stuck or on the fence about being a supporter of the Watchtower Society to leave it.