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  Do JWs eat fat?

  by scooter in

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  reading some of the recent posts on the blood issue reminded me of a verse that i have never yet had a jw explain.

  lev 3:17 in the nwt reads " it is a statute to time indefinite for your generations, in all your dwelling places: you must not eat any fat or blood at all.".

  jws use other verses to try and show that we mustn't eat blood as = having a blood transfusion.

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  JWs dont eat fat. It is forbidden. Read your bible bucko.
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  Morning pondering

  by ballistic in

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  does anyone ever get a strange warm prickly sensation travelling all over their skin when thinking about a dream or something which happened?

  i just did while thinking about my dream i had about heaven last night.. .

  weird that.

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  Sex.
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  Will everyone stop wearing clothes?

  by plmkrzy in

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  after the earth is turned into a global paradise, .

  will everyone stop wearing clothes?

  will our eyes become closed to nudity as they were in the beginning?

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  I dont wear clothes now and I am not embarassed.
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  Why do elders not disfellowship inactive people?

  by kenpodragon in

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  when i left the religion, i walked away and did not get df'ed or da myself.

  in doing so, my wife left the religion at the same time.

  in our life we have been very nonwitness in our life.

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  I cant be disfellowshipped since I am not a witness. The elders said to me "It sounds like you dont want to be thought of as one of Jehovahs witnesses anymore." I replied, I am not thought of as one of Jehovahs Witnesses. My wife is a witness, she doesnt think I am one of Jehovahs Witnesses. My friends dont think I am one of Jehovahs Witnesses. Then I tilted my head and I looked at them with a quizzical look on my face and said do YOU think i am one of Jehovahs Witnesses? What could they say?

  Then the one elder said, well it sounds like you want to disassociate yourself? To which I replied, why would I need to DA myself since I am a "Former Member who has ceased to be involved in the faith?" Using their words from the website. It is even more pointed now, although the attempt is to give them more laditude, it actually gives me more. Now it says, anyone who has left the faith. Before it was anyone INVOLVED in the faith. Thus if I went to meetings they could attempt to df or da me. But even catholics who leave their faith still go to mass once in a while, or weddings and funerals. So now I can go to all the meetings, sing, study. Whatever. As long as I do only those things non-members typically do I am ok.

  If they ever did try to falsely announce my DA or DF, I would simply deny it. Like if I go to a congregation in ohio, and some elder in california decides to announce I am DA or DF, well clearly his word doesnt apply. That would be my additude in this case also. Even if it were my former elders. Why? Because I am a FORMER member.

  Too I told them if they df me, I will show up at all the meetings. I will sit down in front. I will sing the loudest. I will greet everyone that comes in. I will involve myself in conversations. I will be jovial. Newcomers will wonder why they are shunning this genuinely nice fella...They told me there was nothing to DF me for.:)
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  JWs Totally ROCK man!

  by Hyghlandyr in

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  like i posted on the other thread it is the fake ones that dont.

  the ones that set up harmful policies.

  the ones that enforce them.

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  For you to stereo-typically categorize the faith of over 2 Billion people on this planet as "dangerous and divisive" stinks of pure JW styled judgmentalism and dogamatism

  Kind of like christian stereotyping of the faith of 4 billion people as heathen, god condemned, wicked, and demonic?

  WTFever diplip.
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  JWs Totally ROCK man!

  by Hyghlandyr in

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  like i posted on the other thread it is the fake ones that dont.

  the ones that set up harmful policies.

  the ones that enforce them.

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  But your style betrays typical JW false red-herring type of reasoning.

  This is precisely the kind of additude I am talking about. Typical JW? Red-herrings are red herrings. However, since my post was JWS TOTALLY ROCK MAN! and since I was basically saying that I like some JWs, the concept of critical thinking doesnt have to be involved. You on the one hand are using critical thinking, I am stating my emotional response to many JWs who are totally cool and treated me totally cool. And still do, those that Ive remained in contact with in one form or another, here and there.

  My statement "Many here want to dismiss all JWs as wicked. If that is the case then you are wicked. And you most certainly were wicked as a JW." should have stood on its own. And is in no way illogical despite my emotional statement. Many here have stated that JWs are wicked. ALL Jws..ok sure, maybe they will state that not ALL Jws are wicked. But many feel they were abused as JWs and seem in their antagonism to overlook the fact that many JWs are abused, if not most or all.

  1....If disfellowshipping is an evil act
  2....If anyone that practices disfellowshipping is an evil person per #1
  3....If you practice DFing, then per #1 and #2 you are an evil person.
  4....If you state that JWs are evil for practicing DFing...
  5....If you practiced it as a JW, then you are evil.

  This is not an illogical arguement. Now if you were one of the few that didnt practice it, or if you dont state it is an evil act done by evil people, then you are not evil. Now there are all sorts of arguements in-between here. Everything from, they are merely confused, to they are outright gleeful and wicked to practice this. But, what you apply to them, whatever category, you must apply to yourself if you also practiced the same as they.

  Now to your last statement about christian organizations vs individual christians. HELLO! You must have skipped most of what I said. Because I said CHRISTIANITY is a destructive and dangerous force. But I stated, that TRUE catholics, TRUE JWs, TRUE _________ (fill in the blank) DONT abuse people. That is an INDIVIDUAL statement. I really dont know how much clearer I could make that.

  As to christian ORGANIZATIONS setting up charities and feeding the poor and educating and running hospitals, Sure kudos to them. But those same peoples who did those wonderful things, often were the people that were murdering, they were the individuals that were abusing. Organizations cannot do these things without the individuals behind them. Whether the things they do are for good or for ill. Christians rock, hell yeah. No doubt about it. They also destroy. Such in my case is not a moral indictment since I am amoral. It is merely an awareness that christian destructiveness is not that much different from JW destructiveness. Despite this recognition that christians of all sorts, organizations and individuals, can and have abused, there is also the recognition that christians of all sorts, orgaizations and individuals, can and have protected, nurtured and assisted.

  In your next post do me a favor and use your "typical JW" style of not having heard what I actually said, and give me a "straw man". That way what I say is easier to counter. For my part I will use an ad hominem:

  People that think they are somehow better than JWs, people who claim that their time in JWism was NOTHING but torture (except maybe for those raised in it, having had no other ideas presented to them), people who whine about how bad the JWs are in every case as an organization and as individuals, people who leave JWs because of realizing the way facts were twisted but remain christians without having examined those facts, people who are deluded into the automatic superiority of the exjw over the jw, are idiots, morons, nincompoops, and tiddly do winkers.
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  JWs Totally ROCK man!

  by Hyghlandyr in

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  like i posted on the other thread it is the fake ones that dont.

  the ones that set up harmful policies.

  the ones that enforce them.

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  Mike Musto -

  Excellent. Exactly. Being a TRUE Catholic does not mean you support the popes policies. It means that basically you believe in Jesus, mary etc. And you label yourself a catholic and you live the MORAL system of the catholics. This doesnt mean you never fail. It does mean that you dont go around trying to destroy peoples lives. I am talking about the spirit of the meaning behind the claims. The same thing with "Jehvoahs Witnesses" I know many who lay claim to that title and never have been associated in any way whatsoever with the watchtower organization. For me it is living in the spirit of some basic things that Jesus (though he didnt exist) said. A true believer isnt based on what man they are following doing anything blindly. But real caring. Even if struggling under an overweight system.

  How can I say they rock? Because I am not a man who dismisses everyone. I remember what it was like being a JW. I remember that while a JW, I went door to door because I actually wanted to help people. And believe it or not, as a result of my going door to door I helped many people. I studied with none of them. But I met people in dire situations who need an ear, I offered mine. My wife and I met a woman who was being kicked out of her apartment and had no one to help her move. We helped. There was no, study, not scriptures, no, we are doing this because god wants us to. Just helped her move. And never required more from her.

  Many here want to dismiss all JWs as wicked. If that is the case then you are wicked. And you most certainly were wicked as a JW. Most JWs if they knew the truth would leave. Sure enough, maybe that is so. And because they are scared to examine something which they BELIEVE to be a lie, does not make them wicked. If someone is a drug user I dont want them in my house. If my friends tell me so and so is a drug user, I will trust them and not let him over. They are trusting. Their trust simply happens to be misplaced. It is placed actually not in men as some here suppose, but in a magazine. Whatever that magazine says will be trusted. Gee sounds kind of like many others who believe in a book no matter what it says (read duet 22 then come back here and bitch about the watchtower policy on rape, while at the same time trying to justify the bibles position)...

  Where do you get this idea? This is JW propaganda

  This is UTTER BS...The watchtower society is not the only one nor the first that has demonstrated how dangerous christianity has been. Of all the nations in the world the ONLY NATION to convert peacefully to christianity was Ireland. But they were already basically christians, waiting for a Christos, an Ard R, high King. Thus when someone told them, so and so is the king of kings, being a people that never lied, the lie being inconceivable to them, they converted. Without bloodshed. And eliminated slavery, and other practices because they felt it was against the spirit of christianity. (Though they kept on having sex in any fashion they wanted because christianity wasnt/isnt about sex. It was MADE about sex almost exclusively by some uptight bishops in rome)..

  Every other nation fought tooth and nail against christianity. It was a war. When a norse leader was told by christian evangelists that his father, who was in valhalla, was actually in hell, he tossed them out. Then they took his nation by force. Around the world christianity has fomented war after war. Watchtower propganda bs. Your own bible is one of the most foul, vile, disgusting pieces of lying crap I have ever read. We Irish never even thought that a raped virgin should be sold to her rapist. The bible says she should. And does not even give a minimum age! NO AGE OF CONSENT from god people. Rape a woman SHES YOURS...The Irish had not seen that when they converted or they would have tossed the monks out on their ears. They had only the book of Sean (John).

  The Crusades, the murders of native americans and australians and africans. The forced conversions of thousands, millions, on penalty of death. The stealing of property. The rape of muslim women and other women. The doctrines themselves, even when not outright murderous are downright abusive. Even ALL YOUR RIGHTEOUS WORKS ARE AS FILTHY RAGS BENEATH HIS FEET. Well then bugger off god. If NONE of my righteous works is even good for anything, get out of my face. This additude in the bible has led to a constant state of shame and guilt by many people. I know you think you are oh so abused as JWs. Ive got news for you, many christians feel the same way. Laden down with a burden whcih they can barely lift. I know of women who were ostracized by their churches because of getting pregnant. I know of people who could not so much as have a beer in their frig because other members of their church might see it.

  Christianity is an evil, wicked, nasty, demonic force on this planet. I dont even believe in demons, but I believe that demons set up the entire christian system. And JWs have nothing to do with that viewpoint. They are merely one in a long line. If it were not for the deists setting up protections in this country, christians would still to this day being trying to execute and imprison those who dont follow. ALL christians? Of course not. But the freedoms that some christians believe in are not bible based. THANKFULLY there are many christians in the last couple of hundred years, more and more of them, that believe the bible is a myth. Allegory.

  But dont give me the crap that christianity hasnt and isnt a dangerous force and somehow that is JW propaganda. Ive read the history from the mouths of christians themselves, and Ive read their most UNholy book.

  Does that mean that christians dont rock? NO..I know a LOT of christians who rock. Who despite their teachings are nice people. And that is why I say JWs ROCK....Not ALL of them. But I am not going to fall into the trap that so many here try to suck us into...that is believing that all JWs are bad...I dont believe in christianity and know the harm it causes but I dont believe all christians are bad. If it makes you feel better to impugn each witness alive, go ahead. But if they are all wicked, why are you bitching if you are disfellowshipped? I would think that I want nothing to do with people of that sort. Ive not spoken to MIlton (my sperm donor) in ten years. You wont hear me whining that he isnt talking to me.

  On the other hand if you are upset that some wont talk to you, just admit the facts. They have good qualities. It is the nasty qualities or the qualities that are unnatural, imposed by their leaders and followed because they believe it to be the GOOD thing, that upset you. Do all JWs follow these things because of that? Of course not. Some actually GLEE to see someone disfellowshipped. But they are not what HYGH calls TRUE Jws..I have my personal definitions for a reason. But...

  Dungbeetle was the one that gave the suggestion to me and it works. When I talk to JWs now I say they have infiltrators. That real JWs dont do these things. That lets them know I am not against them personally. Just against a policy or a wrong.

  So if you dont think so oh well.....but JWs freakin rock man!
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  JWs Totally ROCK man!

  by Hyghlandyr in

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  like i posted on the other thread it is the fake ones that dont.

  the ones that set up harmful policies.

  the ones that enforce them.

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  Refiners, I have lived all over the united states in many circumstances. There were many people that were there without requiring anything in return. And most of them...no..I think none of them, complained about my sense of humor. Not even JWs. Course I wasnt on the internet back then. People kick ass and are phenomenal
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  JWs Totally ROCK man!

  by Hyghlandyr in

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  like i posted on the other thread it is the fake ones that dont.

  the ones that set up harmful policies.

  the ones that enforce them.

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  Farkel thanks for ralleying to my side. Its not really about my sisters. I just was thnking about how much I like some of the JWs...

  Refiners..I dont think it is unique to cult groups. Thats what I am saying really JWs are pretty much like everyone else. Window dressing is the only difference. Many of them rock.

  I love watching them destroy a trinitarian in yahoo chat. In fact I love pretending to be JW and then destroying a trinitarian. They rock.
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  JWs Totally ROCK man!

  by Hyghlandyr in

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  like i posted on the other thread it is the fake ones that dont.

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  Thanks farkel. I always appreciate the kind words you have for me man. Espeically considering how tough it's been lately with all of these issues coming to the fore. Tracy, my sis, and I talked recently. She told me that she had been taken to the elders for being a rebellious youth. Which I knew already. But she told the elders that he was trying to moleste her again. They called her liars. That I didnt know. Steve Klatte wasnt made aware of that. He is one of the TRUE JWs

  But bob beech and steve hazzard KNEW..and still called her a liar. They had a confession and had even DFed him.

  But I want to say man, no matter how deep you think I am thinkin, I'm not. These are just surface thoughts. I say what comes to my mind usually at the moment it comes to my mind. Still its nice to have folks like you lookin out for folks like me. Hugs man.

  Goddess Bless.