sorry, i don't have time to search the site right now.
this bloody french isp is rubbish, and i keep getting dropped when i try anything that takes more than 10 seconds.
has the society ever come up with any intelligent reasoning to counter the ages that carbon dating/science has given to various artifacts, i.e.
Crazy151Drinker,
The "solid rock" that contains the remains of the dinosaurs was once muddy sediment (hense the phrase "sedimentary rock"). The Biblical flood explains these masses of sediment. Not all geologists believe that the rock layers are billions of years old. A good easy to understand reference is a book called "The Young Earth" by John Morris Ph.d Geology avalable from The Institute for Creation Research.
sorry, i don't have time to search the site right now.
this bloody french isp is rubbish, and i keep getting dropped when i try anything that takes more than 10 seconds.
has the society ever come up with any intelligent reasoning to counter the ages that carbon dating/science has given to various artifacts, i.e.
Wolfgirl,
I have never been a JW, but I do believe the Bible.
Carbon "dating" as well as other forms of radiometric "dating" do not actually measure dates. these methods simply measure the ratios of various isotopes of decaying substances. For example ice "decays" into water in a glass on your kitchen table. You can accurately measure the ratio of ice and water at the present. However you don't know for sure how much ice and water were originally present without actually being there to begin with. The same is true of radiometric "dates" which arn't really dates at all but simply unverifible calculations based on present isotope ratios.
Also those who believe in the biblical chronology do not "simply throw out any evidence from molecular biology" as many leading creationists have Ph.D's in molecular biology. A book called "Evolution: A Theory in Chrisis" by Michael Denton Ph.D (At the time of the books writing Dr. Denton was not even a Biblical creationist) shows from molecular biology that Macro-Evolution could have not produced the genetic relationships that we see today.
Just because the Watchtower is wrong doen't mean that God's word is.
here is a list of contradictions between what the watchtower society says and what the bible says:.
the watchtower says that judas iscariot left the lord's evening meal (memorial) before jesus instituted the new covenant and passed the wine and bread.. what does the bible say?:.
luke 22:13: they went, found things as he had told them, and they prepared the passover.
Question for RevMalk,
Are you a believer in some form of mormonism? I base this question on the following observations:
1. Your statue which appears below your name is of the "Mormon Jesus"
2. You mentioned that Jesus was "procreated"
3. You attacked the Bible just as a Mormon does
4. You stated that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost were "three separate beings" in perfect agreement with LDS doctrine.
5. You mentioned "seeking" the "Prophet"
...at the tip of my tongue!.
question:.
i know we are not into end time dates anymore.however suppose you are in your.
Martini. Claudia. Pie, Frenchy
I have never been a JW, but I would like to know why you still are? Also why did you come here?
ok everyone....i have noticed that there are a few other religions out there similar to the jw's.....for example...i have a friend who has a sister that who belongs to a non-denominational christian church.....she feels that her church is the "only way" to god...and also too it seems as though she looks down on anyone who does not go to her church....they have weekly bible studies on monday or tuesday nights...they even have a "field service" in which they go out to neighbors trying to get them to come to that particular church....does anyone else out there know about the other ones similar to the jw?
q
Probably the most similar group would be the seventh-day adventist church, which came out of the "second advent movement", the same movement which eventually spawned the watchtower magazine.
Some similaries:
1. Multiple specific dates set for the end of the world. I may post these later.
2. The "end" will come within the lifetime of the "1844 generation" (Wow- thats familar! JWs say 1914 generation)
3. The initial prediction of Christs return to rule the EARTH in 1844, later changed to an "invisible" presence in HEAVEN. (Same as the JWs only different year)
4. Churchs rejected for not accepting 1844 date. (JWs reject churchs for not accepting 1914 date).
5. Their church alone is composed of the remnant of the 144,000 from the book of Revelation.
6. The early adventists took no "name" and had no "organization" later they got both of these. (same as JWs who initially rejected the concept of a distinctive name and organization, and who now relish in these things.
7. extensive emphasis on chronology.
8. all former members "apostate"
The above information can be found in the early chapters of an older book called "Seventh-Day Adventism Renounced" If you can get a copy of this book and can go though some points of it with a JW (they shouldn't object to this as it doesn,t specifically mention their group) it should prove DEVASTATING to the mind of the JW.
while i know the wts has published pamphlets on the trinity doctrine, i thought i'd draw your attention to a book written by a secular source regarding the history of the arian controversy.
i recently read this book and thoroughly enjoyed it.
to summarize the events, it shows how the original catholic church was divided into two camps; those that believed jesus was god incarnate, and those who believed that jesus was god's first creation.
While it is true that the emperor Constantine at first banished Arius for his "created Christ" views, when politics changed he reinstated Arius and instead banished Athanasius for his eternal Christ views!! (something the Watchtower failed to mention in the "Should You Believe In The Trinity" Brochure).
This shows that "who persecuted who" (I am opposed to all religious persecution) is a poor determiner of doctrinal truth.
I have read for myself the views of the early Christians in the volumes available. You can find the parts where the Watchtower took their quotes out of context. But in reading the whole portions of letters it is plain to see that the early church from the apostles onward believed in the full diety of Jesus Christ.
as part of helping myself and my family to see past the smoke and curtains, i have started on a journey to write and publish an e-book that will present counterpoints to "reasoning from the scriptures".
i am looking to see if there are any out there that might contribute, since i want to handle each point covered in that book (and complete it before the end of this system - oops, sometimes flashbacks occur).
if interested, email me or respond here.
There is a book by Duane Magnani specifically refuting the "false prophets" section of Reasoning. It is very good and available from http://witnessinc.com Duane is the director of witnessinc. I have the book, It is called Point/Counter point Volume # 1. I would possibly be able to help on other sections of the reasoning book in the areas that I am versed.
creation of god a matter of faith jim dail .
for the californian .
christian-based religions all share at least one core belief: god is the creator and he sent his only son to earth to die on the cross for the sins of man.
Bleep, You could increase your faith in Jehovah by taking the time you spend reading the Watchtower and instead spending it reading just the Bible.
Sure you may not find in it all the strange Watchtower doctrines that have been taught over the years (such as Jehovah being confined to a finite body, not able to be in more than one place at a time, and for much of the Societies history living on the star Alcyone in the Pleiades star cluster) but you will find the truth (John 14:6).
old light vs. new light
the lighter is not bright .
the watchtower writes "if we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two years ago would be regarded as darkness now.
You forgot the 1917 "new light (The Finished Mystery)" on who Michael the arc-angel is:
THE POPE
why is it that the dubs have two types of salvation?
1 the faithful and discreat salves 2 the other sheep.
one goes to heaven and as holy spirit, and the other stays on earth and no spirit.
For JWs who die their only hope of salvation is to be "resurrected" to paradise earth.
According to Watchtower doctrine there is no salvation for these as the Watchtower teaches that their original bodies will NEVER be raised but will remain in the GRAVE FOREVER.
