for immediate family and friends?
?.....why do some of us go nearly crazy cause we cant get them out??
?........why does it matter so much to us?..........some are better off in as they are too old to replace their entire social structure....like my folks.
Oompa, exactly what New Light says! You are stuck right smack dab in the middle of the Matrix! Lady Lee has a lot of wisdom to offer too!
You can't go back and I don't think you are ready to go forward yet. It looks like your wife is one of those people that Lady Lee mentioned, that can't function without the rules that the WTS gives. That means that you might have to make your own life. That's damn scary. I wish I could help.
actually...i am just hoping that mo/betta sex is just a huge fringe benefit (really hoping that!!!!!!!
) ......i may start going one or two times a month........and it was an idea handed to me by my friend bonnzo here.
he is a great guy all around....who loves his old pioneer mom enough to keep going to the meetings a bit instead of doing what we would both like to and walk away......actually we both would probably prefer that all our family and friends walked away and then it would not even be like walking away.
My thoughts are paralleling undercover's. I understand you are going back to a few meetings to ease the situation a little, but I was wondering if your wife is willing to make a concession or two?
I just recently found myself agreeing to go to the memorial for a friend after swearing that I had gone to my last one last year! In turn she has overlooked the fact that I don't have anything else to do with the Truth. I'm sure alot of people might disagree, but its worth it to me to preserve our friendship.
i know- you aren't used to seeing me ask a simple question like this.
so- i'll start .
i am 49 years old, will be 50 in october .
I'm 53, and feel like I'm starting my life over since leaving the Borg! I feel 18 again, although I wish my body felt the same way!
ever had a blue smoke martini?
it is great not sure what it in it but really pretty and tasty.. kit.
I'm with Tenyearsafter and leavingwt - just wave the bottle of vermouth over the shaker and call it quits. Bombay Sapphire is my preference with about 3 jalapeno stuffed olives.
personally, i love chicken pot pie with a real pie crust---not the flaky puff topping..
Yeah carbs are my idea of comfort food. How about a plate of chicken pastry (chicken and dumplings everywhere else), collard greens, field peas and fried cornbread? Can you tell I'm from the South?
after sending my disfellowshipped sister-in-law a valentine's card last week, she sent me an email.
imagine my surprise!
after 15 years of being disfellowshipped, she told me that she reinstated one month ago.
I began my fade inadvertently when I became very ill for a long while. There had been a number of problems in our congregation anyway, and now I had the time to identify questions and doubts that had never been answered. Finding the answers to these questions was a 'revelation'! What a sham I had been involved with for all of my life!
Now, several years later, I've maintained my relationships with a very few friends who are still JWs, and I still have family in. But since making the decision last year that this was not the Truth, I can see that the time is coming when my cover will be blown. This year will be the first that I will not attend the Memorial and just last night my friend let me know the date and told me she wanted me to come. I was caught off guard and didn't know what to say, and she asked me why I wasn't saying anything, letting me know she is going to push this. I told her that it felt pretty hypocritical to attend that one meeting after not attending any others, but she didn't buy it.
When it comes up again I still don't know what to say to her, so the end may be near. It might just be a relief.
So I think the reason most people fade instead of DAing is because they want to keep their relationships with friends and family.
Umm - martini, Bombay Sapphire, extra dry, extra olives!
ya...had to do some business out there....but two days of biz....and five days total.... mean a helluva lotta fun....esp without jw wife!....dont ask how much i lost or it may jade my fun trip....but it wasnt pretty....i have always had decent luck with blackjack...no horror stories til now....then a friend taught me how to play craps.....now i really really hate it!!!.....
i played with a (minor) actor and his wife from beverly hills one night and we hit it off.....he took two hundred dollars and turned it into 1800 in three hours!...i learned a lot and was impressed...turns out it is not easily replicated!!!!
(and i tried three times dammit)....that game can suck your winnings dry very fast...so i dont like that and will not do it again..... poker tournaments are the way to go imo...i did pretty well on the first two i ever entered....fourth and sixth out of three and four tables and the entry fee is low...esp for all you can learn/earn and the fun you can have....very social too...lotta fun.........double life oompa reporting.......... there is no place like vegas in the world....it always amazes me....and btw...to make it even better...i hooked up with a big superfun family i have known for years that were in town as well....and ya...they are all out!...so we were comrades in sin city.....oompa.
I love Vegas! You deserved to blow off some steam. Glad you had fun!
Only been one time (for a Jimmy Buffett concert) and had a blast. Partied all day and then all night! How can you not have fun?
Course if you had been with us, we'd have had even more fun! H and I are pretty open, but the friend we went with (you know who), being a faithful dub wasn't into gambling or 'nude revues'! So next time, we'll have to go together!
as most of you know in 2002 barbara anderson and bill bowen were on the dateline program which revealed that child abuse victims had been theatened with disfellowshipping from the jehovah's witnesses for reporting child abuse to the police and authorities .
and this actually happened to many victims and their families for standing up in behalf of the safety of abused children !.
most here are aware of the out of court child abuse settlements the wt society made with 16 witness child abuse victims in 2007. a gag order was placed on victims so they would not speak of their experiences with the media.
What I have to relate may or may not be relevant. But it is a situation I have firsthand knowledge of.
20 years ago two brothers ( 4 and 8) were sexually abused by a ministerial servant. They got up the courage and told their father, who subsequently confronted the servant. He confessed and the father filed charges against him and only then reported it to the elders. The elders were taken aback that it had already been reported to the authorities but went ahead and covened the judicial committee and disfellowshipped the servant. The servant's "fleshly" brother was an elder, and he asked the father to consider dropping the charges. Happily, the father refused and after a trial, the former servant was convicted and sent to prison for seven years.
Last seen this sex abuse offender was reinstated and had married a woman with several small children. I wonder if she was fully informed of his past before she married him. I shudder to think of those poor children.
Also, after he got out of prison he actually showed up at the hall where these two children that he had abused attended; and told the brothers that he wanted to attend meetings there ( most of his family attended that congregation). Thankfully, the brothers told him he needed to go somewhere else.
Do I think the elders would have encouraged the father to not press charges if he hadn't already done so? Yes! However, they did at least try to protect these boys after the fact by telling him he had to go to another Kingdom Hall.
I have no doubt that child molesters have, and are still, being sheltered behind the despicable principle of letting problems be handled only by the congregations as they are directed by the Watchtower organization.
i love the first two movies, can't wait to see the new one.
i know someone on this board already has.
anybody else like this series?.
Yeah, loved the first two. We're off to see the new one tonight. Can't wait!
