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  My own story.

  by JoelCW in

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  i'm a long time lurker, first time poster.

  i think i have a similar story to others who were brought up in the so called "truth" but after reading so many stories i thought i'd finally get around to writing mine:.

  like i said, i was raised into it and almost my entire immediate family where (and for the most part still are) serious members.

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  In Your Estimation What Percentage Of Witnesses Actually Believe They Have The "Truth"?

  by minimus in

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  i think 60% think or hope it's all what it's cracked up to be and the others are just there for different reasons.. what do you think?.

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  11-year-old niece was told by JW grandmother that she shouldn't play in band

  by keyser soze in

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  i haven't posted here in a while, but i thought this was worth mentioning, and i just wanted to vent about it.. my brother and sister-in-law, who are now divorced, bought my niece a clarinet about a year ago, so she could play in the band at school.

  she loves it more than anything in the world.

  one day last week, her grandmother found out about this and got all upset about it.

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  Kingdom melodies / B4 Copyright/JW`s stealing melodies/anyone remember this ?

  by smiddy in

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  i can recall sometime ago in the 60`s 70`s or theirabouts,it when they first printed their own songbook must have been before the org.copyrighted their material,and the reason they did that is because some brothers were stealing the tunes ?

  maybe modifying them and passing them off as their own for commercial gain?

  ( i know some of you are going to say wtf ?

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  No Terry, not just you but I also detected the pattern based on the Walt Disney tune Someday My Prince Will Come to that song
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  Newer teachings replacing the old

  by Anator in

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  have you noticed that some newer teachings that were at one time fixed in stone have been abolished and now appear as new light.. 1. generation from 1914 to over-lapping generations.

  2. annointed stopped in 1935, but 70 years later it is now acceptable.

  if you were to suggest either one of these before it was made offical, i'm sure you could have been df'd for saying it.. any other newer teachings similar to the above that you may have noticed over the years?.

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  Have you noticed that some newer teachings that were at one time fixed in stone have been abolished and now appear as new light.

  1. Generation from 1914 to over-lapping generations

  2. Annointed stopped in 1935, but 70 years later it is now acceptable

  If you were to suggest either one of these before it was made offical, I'm sure you could have been df'd for saying it.

  Any other newer teachings similar to the above that you may have noticed over the years?
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  Is the Watchtower so assured of its members' loyalty it can do and say as it pleases?

  by truthseeker in

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  i don't know how any of you feel about this, but is it possible the watchtower society is so self-assured of its members' loyalty that it no longer cares what it says or does anymore?.

  one example would be the constant admonition to practically worship the faithful and discreet slave.. another is changing the end of the calling of the anointed from 1935 to no fixed date, allowing the number of anointed to be at its highest for over 40 years.. what about the overlapping generations?

  most non-jws, if pointed out the inconsistencies, would see the folly of this latest understanding, yet the rank and file swallow it, hook, line and sinker.. such changes are almost blatant, in your face, yet where is the anger, the rage, at yet another move of the goal posts?.

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  I never bought into the not having a higher education bit and was confused as hell with the over-lapping generations. That made no sense at all. Jesus said this generation as in 'one', but the GB is now saying over-lapping as in many. Some of the rank and file will say wow, what a revelation with new light, but I asked what does it mean and they can't fully explain it. This over-lapping generation thing is now like the Trinity, very mysterious.
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  JWs react with joy when something bad has happen to inactive or DF'd ones

  by Anator in

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  i've noticed when i was an active dub that some jws act joyful whenever they hear that an inactive jw or a df'd person had something bad happen to them.

  some have a glee-ful smile and they give that *look* that says, "we told you so".

  have you ever experienced what i'm referring to?

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  I've noticed when I was an active dub that some JWs act joyful whenever they hear that an inactive JW or a DF'd person had something bad happen to them. Some have a glee-ful smile and they give that *look* that says, "we told you so". Have you ever experienced what I'm referring to?
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  Setting of dates - they all do it

  by Anator in

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  whether the average dub realizes it or not, they all set dates in relation to the time of the end.

  i remember one who stated that he was not going to invest in any retirement funds due to the end would come before he needed it.

  another said he does not want to invest in this system due to the end is imminent.

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  Whether the average dub realizes it or not, they all set dates in relation to the time of the end. I remember one who stated that he was not going to invest in any retirement funds due to the end would come before he needed it. Another said he does not want to invest in this system due to the end is imminent. I remember one getting consoled for having any more kids in this system, he replied in saying that the big ‘A’ will come before they’ll even enter school. That experience was back in the mid 80’s. That kid is now grown and perhaps with kids of their own. I know that so-called generation theory more than likely made an impact to their assumptions but how many have you known that made statements regarding the end; almost presuming they know when it will be?
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  R.Franz "Christian Freedom" Bk - Misuse of Disfellowshipping -WT Hypocrisy

  by flipper in

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  just finished the chapter in ray's " christian freedom " book on " misuse of disfellowshipping .

  i highly recommend anyone reading it as it has numerous experiences of individuals who were mistreated so unjustly by the wt society's rigid rules - many in spite of 40, 50, or 60 yrs.

  of faithful alleigance to the wt society's rules.

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  Bonnie_Clyde, thanks for sharing that, our marriage was also falling apart and some were actually encouraging me to do so. This was really messing up head at the time, BUT like yourself we have drawn even closer together as a family.
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  R.Franz "Christian Freedom" Bk - Misuse of Disfellowshipping -WT Hypocrisy

  by flipper in

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  just finished the chapter in ray's " christian freedom " book on " misuse of disfellowshipping .

  i highly recommend anyone reading it as it has numerous experiences of individuals who were mistreated so unjustly by the wt society's rigid rules - many in spite of 40, 50, or 60 yrs.

  of faithful alleigance to the wt society's rules.

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  It has been a long while since I posted anything, but this really messed up my family big time. I remember the quote from Walter Graham , WT Canadian Branch, quoted in a Toronto Newspaper - " If someone doesn't want to live by our principles, he's free to leave. There's no badgering here, no physical or emotional harassment.... We don't dictate from headquarters. "

  I did not witness this quote from Walter Graham, but my son and my wife received terrible badgering, as well as emotional harassment. I had to witness my son get DF'd and end up in a hospital under suicide watch, see my wife have a complete emotional and physiological breakdown which required medical care for months. My wife does not want anything to do with the org and has become scared from this experience and will never go back. However, I continued to believe for many years and even now I still struggle, but I remember once going to the hall sometime after, and I became so disillusioned by it all due to my experience and to see the lack of compassion, it also left me scared and I find it next to impossible to ever go back.

  Fortunately, my son and wife have recovered and are doing well, and I see them happier than ever since leaving the org. I ask myself, why in the world did I ever join? But, when I search for that answer, I knew it was because, it appeared they had answers to certain questions that I never thought that could get answered. At first it appeared that the love poured in when you first entered, BUT once in the org it all felt different. I wish I had more insight at that time.