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  Governing Body went from anonymous secret group to T.V Stars??? How?

  by Witness 007 in

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  when i grew up in the 1980's -90's it was rare to see a faithful slaves picture in 10 years of watchtowers.

  everything was anonymous.

  no one really knew there names except for the "holy oricle" fred franz.. now they are full on t.v stars with there own show.

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  I remember when 'The faithful and discreet slave' were indeed 'Discreet'. We didn't really know who they were or much about them. BUt the new GB 2.0 are putting themselves out there, making themselves the opposite of being 'Discreet'.
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  Finally heard a Dub defend overlapping generations

  by Socrateswannabe in

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  since the overlapping generations doctrine was introduced, i have found the jws i know to be uncharacteristically silent on the subject.

  i can't remember hearing a single dub try to defend this idiocy.

  but that all ended recently.

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  Yes, when I asked a jdub when Jesus said 'This Generation' did he mean the 2nd overlap generation? Because he clearly states that 'This Generation will NOT pass away'. The first did pass away. Becasue if you are meaning both generations mean 'ONE' then his statement does not make sense due to the very fact that the first generation did pass away. Always stops them dead in their tracks.
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  How was it for you when you had to shun someone?

  by Anator in

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  i remember a good friend when i was in and active who was d'fd.

  when he started coming back, for me at that time is was gut-wrenching not to say 'hello' or at the very least encourage him to continue.

  i thought even at this time, does this act of shunning really effective?

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  I remember a good friend when I was in and active who was D'fd. When he started coming back, for me at that time is was gut-wrenching not to say 'hello' or at the very least encourage him to continue. Some try for a while but give-up. I thought even at this time, does this act of shunning really effective? So even though it's difficult being D'fd and being shunned, how was it for you when you actually had to do it?
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  What are the things that wake people up from the Watchtower Corporation?

  by punkofnice in

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  2. beliefs

  when i became an elder i saw the dark side.

  a side i previously believed couldn't possibly exist in the one true religion of the happiest people on earth.. then they rolled out 'overlapping generations(tm)' and that was the last straw.. all my life i had doubts but surpressed them thinking i was at fault and not the cult leaders.. it seems more likely that now the governing body are parading around like popes, wearing their expensive jewellery, that this will nauseate even dyed in the wool jws.. i wonder if the wake up can be condensed into main categories?.

  1. experiencing the cruel handling of matters by the wbt$ reps.. 2. crazy doctrine (eg.

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  WingCommander: Yes, I hear you there! I have to admit, your comments had me laughing so hard I was tearing up! Well said!
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  Paranoia after today's Watchtower

  by Truthexplorer in

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  boy oh boy did i feel paranoid at today's wt.

  not only are we to watch our associations outside of the congregation, but also watch our associations 'within' the congregation.

  this was emphasised by the wt study conductor.

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  This was always a pet peeve of mine. The speaker is implying not to trust anyone! To watch each other in the congregation, to spy on each other. I have heard this before throughout the years. I don't think I read Jesus ever doing this in any of his sermons. HIs sermons started with 'Happy are the ones', and so on. Empowerment! If you don't empower your members they are bound to do wrong doing.

  How can you do good or feel good about yourself, when the speaker implies "don't trust your brother/sister'? It's depressing! This proved to weaken my faith in the past. I remember saying to myself, why am I here?
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  Just had a former elder friend tell me, “This Overlapping generation is crap.

  by John Aquila in

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  last night i ran into a former elder friend, he is in his late 70s.

  he asked how i was doing and i asked how he was doing.

  then out of the blue he tells me; .

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  Going from simplistic to complex will always confuse the masses. Getting a chart to try to describe the whole scenario and with only one biblical verse without using any additional versus from Matt to Rev, is problematic at best. I work in business and I can say that complex models are often better than simplistic ones, because they include more of the relevant details....HOWEVER, the trade off for this increasing accuracy is a reduction of clarity. For more clarity you need more scriptures, more examples and they couldn't produce that.
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  Overlapping generation pushed me to the brink

  by Anator in

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  hello, i haven't posted for a number of years.

  i've been struggling for years of wrestling in my mind regarding the organization.

  i guess the big thing for me to push me over the edge is the generation overlapping thingy.

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  Hi John, thanks for the references. There are many 'End Time' religions, but to your point, I will do my research to see if any other than the Watchtower is preaching this. Because the Watchtower is saying "The time is near". That's been happening for over 100 years. WOW!
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  Overlapping generation pushed me to the brink

  by Anator in

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  hello, i haven't posted for a number of years.

  i've been struggling for years of wrestling in my mind regarding the organization.

  i guess the big thing for me to push me over the edge is the generation overlapping thingy.

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  xjwsrock - thank you, that was a point I wanted to make. The video explained by Splaine with the fig tree signifies special insight, which the annointed don't have...therefore, the new light, does not make sense, neither does two generations calling them as one.

  Plus from the 1995 Watertower it said "However, we "bring a heart of wisdom in," not by speculating about how many years or days make up a generation, but by thinking about how we "count our days" in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah. "

  BUT, overlapping generations does just that, once again speculating of how many years make up a generation!! Where is that "heart of wisdom". Reviewing and tracking the statements of old is driving me crazy.
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  Overlapping generation pushed me to the brink

  by Anator in

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  hello, i haven't posted for a number of years.

  i've been struggling for years of wrestling in my mind regarding the organization.

  i guess the big thing for me to push me over the edge is the generation overlapping thingy.

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  The bible is a record of old and we are always referring to it, BUT the literature of old is never really referenced....or..NEVER paraphrased anywhere! I never really paid attention to that before. Now I can see why.

  btw... thanks for the clarification regarding the annointed and the FDS. However it is the FDS that distributes the food at the proper time and the annointed are basically in the same kind of class (domestics) as the other sheep. Therefore, I still see a discrepancy. Therefore, does the annointed have any special insight to discern versus the FDS? I thought they didn't. Very confusing.
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  Overlapping generation pushed me to the brink

  by Anator in

  1. jw
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  hello, i haven't posted for a number of years.

  i've been struggling for years of wrestling in my mind regarding the organization.

  i guess the big thing for me to push me over the edge is the generation overlapping thingy.

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  Hello, I haven't posted for a number of years. I've been struggling for years of wrestling in my mind regarding the organization. So much to tell. I guess the big thing for me to push me over the edge is the Generation overlapping thingy. I was asking questions such as...."well, if the annointed discerned the sign of 1914, uhhh, how is this possible when a recent understanding of the annointed was described as that they were not officially annointed until 1919? I mean they are saying that the annointed discerned the time of 1914, but the recent understanding is changed of when the annointed came to be. I tell them I don't get it. Also, they didn't understand fully of the annointed class until years later. I asked them this question. Does this mean that Russel was NOT of the annointed, to which they replied....correct, he was not. Ok, wait a minute, then how could he discern something of which he was not? See why I am confused? I was encouraged not to spread these types of doubts. My son, who was DF'd as an apostate gave me only society literature to prove some of his points. Historical stuff. Egads! Not once did Russell state that the end times started in 1914, it was always discerned back then as the end of the world or the big 'A'!! Perhaps, most of everyone here knows that! Their literature of old uncovers everything!! I got addicted to finding out everything of old. All of the quotes of today of referencing of what was discerned before 1914 is not true! I can't find a one. It was freaky to say the least. I don't get it. Why the need to divert? Why not call a spade a spade? To say this is the truth, why not just state the truth? Why dance around this? It will never be the same for me.