my husband and i have been out of the jw for about 10 months now, not d/a or d/f yet.
they just havent caught us on some things they could get us for !
but that is all fluff, we dont beleive a thing they teach anymore.
Carpe Diem what a wonderful phrase!
Carpe Diem aint no passing grace.
it means no worry for the rest of yourdays,
it`s a problem free philosofy,
hakuna matata!
"Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
-from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
in memory of kristian raymond wright 1975 march 2002 .
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/60066a25/bc/beck/kristian.jpg?bcgmt.8ahql_yqlb.
it was 2am when we got the distress call.
my sincerest regards!
I am very very sorry.
greven
"Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
-from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
this was sent to me by a loving 'sister' (do you think it was a hint??):.
a weak brother wrote a letter to a friend complaining that it made no sense to go to meetings regularly.
"i've gone for 30 years now," he wrote, "and in that time i have heard something like 3,000 talks.
when his wife stops feeding him he dies????
how about getting better food somewhere else??
the "food" from the WTBS is like junk-food: it fills, but hardly feeds the body. what I hated about their food in the past was that it might have an interesting topic but they never have an indept dicussion it was always simple and shallow.
greven.
"Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
-from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
i am starting this thread as i am curious to your thoughts on this:.
imagine the wts gone, bankrupt or something.
2 questions come to mind:.
Hi y`all!
i am starting this thread as I am curious to your thoughts on this:
imagine the WTS gone, bankrupt or something. 2 questions come to mind:
1) what will happen to the individual JW? will they start a new sect?
join some other sects like them? simply scatter?
2) what will happen to this board, when we have nothing new to talk about? will we vanish, -mission accomplished-??
"Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
-from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
as an active jw, did you really ever believe that you would survive armageddon?
with me, i served as an elder, regular pioneer, was over the book room at district conventions, but i always felt it was not enough, i was never real sure i would survive the big day of god almighty!!
the reason i ask y'all is, i don't think you can feel real sure in a organization that is legalistic and work orientated .
I actually thought that I was EVIL for not wanting to do alot and not believing this crap about being guided by angels in service. I came to a point where the boredom and disbelieve let my decide that if I am EVIL then that is OK. then it dawned on me: what if they (the org) are wrong? maybe I do not like being a witness because it is wrong in itself? this was what started my research. I am glad that I did.
real eye opener reading the finished mystery had a good lauch at the stuff in it!!
"Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
-from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
i actually wrote this post in response to a poster recently dealing with the 'defeating' of the wts.. i have started a new topic with the post as i would like to hear opinions of what xjw's and others view as a 'defeated' watchtower.. "i am not quite sure what we all want from the wts.
what does a person mean by 'defeating' the watchtower?.
destroying it, selling its buildings, giving the cash back to the people who bought them?
defeat? a smoking hole in the ground that is!!!!
"Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
-from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
when i saw syn's post about cake night, i laughed out loud.
i had already been thinking about how much.
candy.
finnrott,
from which novel is your pratchett quote?
very interested in that, I recently became a fan of his.
I like his combo of funny but intelligent humour...
did i just met a fan too?
greetz greven.
"Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
-from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
yeah i thinkin of going to the hall to be a spy lick everyones asses sow the seeds of truth in them bit by bit you know its just to easy and i reckon they will fall for it.think i could help all those zombiefied souls, you see if the old men at the watchtower can fool them surely i could:"any suggestions"
I think the best tactic is not joining, but as gopher said : live a nice life outside. best thing to convince them is to let them convice themselves. i think that when they get at your door or maybe you can find them, go to places where they do streetwork, then ask them questions they can`t answer. this takes preparation though. try to pretend you are interested but do not understand a contradiction. use their own litter-ature against them in a caring manner. they have to draw the conclusions themselves. I know that when someone a few years ago at the door told me JW`s were false profets I wouldn`t believe it. I started believing that after research I did on my own.
ask for proof of their claims and they will be soon without words!
most "proof" they can come up with can be easily torpedoed with reason and examples.
succes anyway, whatever course you may take.
"Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
-from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
the various bans put on the dubs have served the borg well!.
where does a person that doesn't: smoke, celebrate holidays,salute the flag,join the military,join clubs,shuns family & others, goes to 5 plus meetings a wk.,condems all outsiders as armegedon fodder,looks down on secular education, lives in fear (them v/s us) etc., belong?.
the answer = only one place (drum roll please) the kingdub hall.. ya gotta hand it to them, by making the followers extream phreeks they exert a powerful control & keep them miserable, but unable to go anywhere else & fit in!.
basically they seperate their followers from society without physically removing them.
very clever, a prison without bars. nobody sees that you are
imprisoned, so nobody can help!
yikes!
"Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
-from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
as more and more ex-witnesses speak out online, as we have here, it's obvious that the society has to see it as a threat.. since they probably won't come out and ban internet access for their members, how are they going to deal with us?
many of us make no secret of our names and locations, and for the rest it would not be hard for someone with the org's resources to find that information.
as things like the child abuse issue, the u.n. membership, and the blood issue become more publicized their damage-control efforts will have to increase.
banning chess? i never heard of that it was my prime defense when i was playing some kind of war type computer game!
they can not ban internet because they are using it too. they do highlight though the bad sides (like kiddie porn and stuff)of it alot.
even so much that most in my con are reasoning along the line : internet is sure not going to be in my house!
I think that the internet prevents alot of people who are potentially interested in the org from joining it. the first thing most people do when confonted with something they do not know or trust is look it up at the net. freedom of speech existed long before but the society was getting around that by preventing people to talk to former members.
but NOW when freedom of speech is combined with easy access to incriminating information...they are in deep shit. and the best thing about it : they can`t do a thing!!
"Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
-from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
