I always had similar questions. What if you broke a tooth? What happens whent he Earth is fully populated? Without factories and people to work at them where will any products be made? Will we live as poor farmers?
Robert7
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Logistical problems of the new system...
by highdose injust supposing that you belive in it... i used to always wonder, how on earth are we going to get from one country to the other?
i mean old type ships used to take months to get around!
what about land travel?
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You Gotta Love Awake "Logic"!
by metatron inthe dec. 2009 awake asks the question, what kind of star led the "wise men" to jesus?
it concludes that the "star was from an evil source, most likely satan the devil" ( pg 11).
i see the logic , yes....... since herod wanted to kill jesus, a great personage of pure evil must be behind the 'star'.
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Robert7
Satan is amazing in his planning. Since stars are hundreds or thousands of light-years away, Satan would have have to moved the star thousands of years ago so the light would arrive to Earth in the exact timing with Jesus' birth. Amazing I tell ya.
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Robert7
My priviledges were never granted due to poor service time. I couldn't hold microphones, but a 9 year old could! Towards the last year before I left, I was not allowed to say prayer at book study, and wasn't allowed to read!
However, losing priviledges actually helped me leave. With less vested in the day to day as a JW, it made leaving that much easier. They actually helped me leave!
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wife took it pretty well i guess...it's over...
by oompa ini guess it only took three years, but they were hell in so many ways for both of us...she was not happy and lived in denial as much as possible...i was not happy and lived in a bottle as much as possible and glad that is over for me....but it was one of the saddest things i have ever experienced in my life....as was the visit to my parents before i told her....but yes...she said she kind of expected it...was thinking something was going to happen soon as she noticed i had more and more trouble saying i love you back to her when she said it on the phone at the end of goodbyes...and when i was leaving the house...i had noticed it for over a year and it was killing me..... i told her how sorry i was for changing so much again....and that she still walks on water...and is a great person and so pretty....and that she will be ok because she was happy single before me for many years and had all she needs for that again...her closeness to jehovah and her freinds in the congregation...she is very close to both and will be ok i hope...it was very surreal....very calm...very sad.
my bitterness and disdain for wt rules came through when talking to my parents and i was very open about how i feel as to their upcoming shunning of me, and how it feels to my son since he was just 17....and how the fear of losing them had kept me trying in my marriage for the past few years...dad was firm in his position of future action....mom said they will still always love me...and will still talk to me until i get dfd.....oh how this hurts.....dad said there is a name for people who only live for themselves and deny god but could not think of what it was....i told him i was not living just for myself...that i am a good person and there are values from him and the bible i hope i always have....i cry so hard as i type this and tell you just so you can know how painful this is....i told him i so loved the rule of treating others how you want to be treated and have always done that...even allowing myself to be wronged on so many occasions to keep peace....... he said that was a good rule....i agreed and said it was a big one too....and that while i could do it...treat him the way i would like to be treated...he would not be able to!.......left as i became emotional...big hug from mom, but i just barely put an arm on dad............oompa.
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Robert7
Oompa,
I know all too well the types of decisions you had to make, and how painful and life-altering they are. Coming to grips with reality after 45+ years in a cult is not easy. You have been strong, and you will pull through. My wife and I will be here any time you need us...
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When did a lightbulb first go off in your head that something didn't seem right???
by cognac ini was about 4 or 5 years old.
they must of been talking about prejudice in the meeting or something.
that's when i first learned about it.
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What really irritated me and finally got me out was the pathological self worship of the Society.
The worship of the Society bothered me a lot. It seemed that every article, every book, and every prayer had to mention the 'Faithful Slave' to the point it felt like worship.
The Society even said if you give undue attention to something (like sports) it's idolatry. This Society worship was probably the last straw that caused me to open my eyes...
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We are switching halls...
by cognac ini think that means that we are going to go to even less meetings and just generally have less to do with the jws because the hall we are at now is where all his friends are... unless somebody tries to take him under his wing and screws everything up.... btw, this was his idea.
thoughts?.
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Robert7
This is very good. We switched halls shortly before my fade. Not intentionally, but because we moved. The good thing was I never registered for the school, and we barely went to book study.
Basically we set low expectations right away, so no one really bothered us for our poor performance. Just made the fade so much easier :)
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We've always tossed around visiting the Unitarian Church... but I'm so Agnostic/Atheist that I'm struggling with the idea. It seems like the Unitarians are the most non-religious and non-biblical church out there... I want to go partially for the social aspect of it... we'll see...
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17 Apostates Have Left "Truth" in my area
by foolsparadise inin the past year alone i can name off at least 17 people i know personally who have left the organihatesion.
none of us know each other well enough to hang out with each other either.
which means that it was not a planned exit by a group.
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I remember hearing stories of a "wave of apostacy" ripping through here (Raleigh, NC) a number of years back. One person was even teaching classes in a church on how to deal with Witnesses at the door! At the time it was unreal...
Since then I've met a few who left, and even met the guy who taught that class. Nice people actually :) Funny how that works...
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Catholicism--Curious About It
by White Dove indoes anyone here have any catholic experience or have friends who are catholic?
although i'm wiccan all the way, i'm still checking things out and would like input about it..
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Robert7
I used to be Catholic. When you look at its history, it has been a more dangerous religion than the JWs. It may not be a high control group now, but it used to be for centuries. People were killed for owning the bible, or talking against the church. The church meddled in politics, killed dissodents, and engaged in wars.
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what is best evidence against noah's flood?......
by oompa inkeep it simple if possible........i like the ice core samples.........thanks, this was not my big issue but i may be able to use it.......oompa.
feel free to direct me to another thread btw...... or maybe i should read the second page of olins thread!.
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Robert7
Here's what I use that is more logical,
- It would be physically impossible to have 2 of every animal on the Earth on a relatively small ship, simply due to the number of animals on the planet.
- What about insects and bacteria? They are essential in our ecosystem, and would all have been underwater and likely mostly die.
- What about plant life? Most would die after a month underwater.
- What about saltwater/freshwater fish, and the water? All was mixed together, fish would die, and how did all the salt magically separate to freshwater and saltwater systems?