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  Sparlock Garden Gnomes available

  by Shawn10538 in

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  this is kind of a redundant post, so look at my post "sparlock lives.

  " legal arrangements can be made to get you a hand made sparlock garden gnome made of clay.

  likeness is very good.

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  DT

  Any recent news about this?
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  A Prayer Of Thanks And Repentence

  by DT in

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  2. friends

  thank you jehovah god for this meeting which is really a luxurious spiritual banquet.

  we appreciate the way your son appointed the governing body to provide us with this rich spiritual food at the proper time.. if there are any changes or revisions presented tonight to past truths, please help us to accept them immediately as in a "twinkling of an eye" so that we will not be out of step with your grand celestial chariot for even a moment.. we realize that we all fall short of pleasing you many times and beg you humbly for your forgiveness.

  in particular, we must ask you to forgive us for placing our trust and loyalty in the group of anointed on earth, since we mistakenly thought that they were appointed by your son to feed us.

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  Thank you Jehovah God for this meeting which is really a luxurious spiritual banquet. We appreciate the way your son appointed the Governing Body to provide us with this rich spiritual food at the proper time.

  If there are any changes or revisions presented tonight to past truths, please help us to accept them immediately as in a "twinkling of an eye" so that we will not be out of step with your grand celestial chariot for even a moment.

  We realize that we all fall short of pleasing you many times and beg you humbly for your forgiveness. In particular, we must ask you to forgive us for placing our trust and loyalty in the group of anointed on Earth, since we mistakenly thought that they were appointed by your son to feed us. The Governing Body has told us that we were mistaken and we humbly repent of our error.

  We also ask you to forgive these anointed ones for accepting the praise and loyalty that was not their right. Some of them claimed to provide spiritual food through some kind of mystical connection. We know now that this idea is incorrect and possibly of demonic origin. We can only hope that this presumptuousness was a result of weakness rather than wickedness. If it is not possible to forgive these people, we pray that they will at least be quickly expelled from the congregation so they will no longer serve as a stumbling block for your people.

  All these things we pray in the name of Jesus Christ, and the names of the Governing Body, but only when they are serving their roles in the Faithful And Discreet Slave Theocratic Arrangement, amen.
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  Have The Governing Body Rebelled Against The "Anointed Of Jehovah"? (Questions For Those Still In)

  by DT in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it has been the understanding for decades that jehovah was using the group of anointed on earth to provide for his sheep.

  they even changed the baptism questions to indicate acceptance of this arrangement.

  many have been disfellowshipped (aka spiritually executed) for failing to fully support this arrangement.

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  DT

  It has been the understanding for decades that Jehovah was using the group of anointed on Earth to provide for his sheep. They even changed the baptism questions to indicate acceptance of this arrangement. Many have been disfellowshipped (AKA spiritually executed) for failing to fully support this arrangement. This theocratic arrangement found its way into countless prayers and became an integral part of the publications, prophecies and doctrinal understanding of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Now the Governing Body is claiming that Jehovah's Witnesses have pledged their loyalty to the wrong group of people all these years! They have withdrawn their support of the anointed as a group and have arbitrarily declared themselves the Faithful And Discreet Slave.

  In the Bible, rebelling against the "Anointed of Jehovah" is a very serious offense.

  Consider what the Watchtower magazine has said earlier this year (4/15/2012 pages 9,10):

  "What have we learned from these warning examples? Absalom and Judas both met a shameful end because of their having turned traitor against the anointed of Jehovah. (2 Sam. 18:9, 14-17; Acts 1:18-20) Delilah's name will forever be associated with treachery and feigned love. (Ps. 119:158) How vital it is that we reject any tendency we may have toward blind ambition or greed, which would cause us to lose Jehovah's favor! Could any lessons be more powerful to help us reject the loathsome trait of disloyalty?"

  Now the Governing Body have rebelled against the anointed that Jehovah's Witnesses were expected to show loyalty to for decades.

  For those still in:

  It's no longer possible to show loyalty to both the Governing Body and the anointed on Earth. It can only be one or the other or neither. Doing nothing is the same as accepting the Governing Body and rejecting the direction of the anointed remnant.

  What will you do?

  If you decide that you were showing loyalty to the wrong group all these years. What will you do to try to atone for your error?

  If you lived in the time of King David, would you have remained loyal to him or accepted the leadership of Absalom? What will you do now that a similar power grab has taken place?

  This is not just "new light". The anointed on Earth, who you have been following all these years, were not consulted about this. Neither have they approved this change.

  What if this coup by the Governing Body meets the same demise as the rebellion of Absalom? Where does you loyalty lie?
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  We Need A Group Of Anointed To Challenge The Governing Body

  by DT in

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  2. friends

  i believe that a coup is one of the governing body's worst nightmares.. imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization.. this may be one of the reasons the governing body removed the special status of the anointed and placed it on an organizational arrangement that they just happen to occupy.. the irony is that this action is a coup in itself.

  by declaring themselves leaders in complete control of the organization, they have created a rival group composed of those who disagree.

  these people have no obligation to follow these newly self appointed leaders.

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  DT

  Thanks. I received the PM and replied.
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  We Need A Group Of Anointed To Challenge The Governing Body

  by DT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i believe that a coup is one of the governing body's worst nightmares.. imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization.. this may be one of the reasons the governing body removed the special status of the anointed and placed it on an organizational arrangement that they just happen to occupy.. the irony is that this action is a coup in itself.

  by declaring themselves leaders in complete control of the organization, they have created a rival group composed of those who disagree.

  these people have no obligation to follow these newly self appointed leaders.

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  DT

  I have acquired a domain that I think would work well for this site. I have a modest set of goals.

  1. A description of the change in understanding of the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" concept. It will be explained why this doctrine is important and why it could even be considered a core doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  2. It will be stated that this change constitutes a coup and power grab by the Governing Body.

  3. It will be explained that this is a change in the conditions of membership of the Jehovah's Witness religion.

  4. It will be pointed out that nobody is required to accept this change.

  5. This presence of a group of current and former Jehovah's Witnesses that reject this change will be acknowledged.

  6. An open letter will declare that the Governing Body have disassociated themselves by their actions. This will discuss the involvement in the United nations and other actions since. This might also be used as a petition and or a press release.

  7. It will be explained that the website is not a revolt, but a response to a coup and power grab within the organization by those who don't accept the change.

  8. Guidance will be given for those who don't accept the change and don't feel that the Governing Body and it's representatives have the authority to punish them in any way. Nonparticipation in meetings and the ministry will be discussed as a way of showing that the person doesn't support the Governing Body coup. A statement may also be provided that can be downloaded, signed and witnessed by others that can be used to show the date when the person resigned from the religion.

  9. If the proper arrangements can be made, an address might be provided where those who wish to disassociate can send a letter of resignation. This would be processed by a group that has some claim to authority as representatives of Jehovah's Witnesses (either anointed ones or current or former elders or other officials). These letters would be handled without passing on this information to the Governing Body or its representatives, since they are viewed as illegitimate representative of Jehovah's Witnesses. A certificate, suitable for framing, would be mailed back to the person with the date their resignation was processed.

  I have limited time for this project at the moment, but I wanted to give us a chance to discuss it. PM me if you want to help.
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  This is RayPublisher I need suggestions for captions on these pics!

  by RayPublisher in

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  2. humour

  we were goofing around at the pier and took some photos a few days ago.

  here's the first one i was thinking of captioning:.

  here's the second one- i added a caption but am not completely happy with it:.

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  DT

  Air Frisbee Champion Of The World!!!
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  We Need A Group Of Anointed To Challenge The Governing Body

  by DT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i believe that a coup is one of the governing body's worst nightmares.. imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization.. this may be one of the reasons the governing body removed the special status of the anointed and placed it on an organizational arrangement that they just happen to occupy.. the irony is that this action is a coup in itself.

  by declaring themselves leaders in complete control of the organization, they have created a rival group composed of those who disagree.

  these people have no obligation to follow these newly self appointed leaders.

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  "Hi DT ,can you explain these points ?

  "The Governing Body could face some serious legal challenges if they ever tried to punish those who never joined their coup. A religion doesn't have the right to punish nonmembers. The Mormons have gotten into trouble for this very thing, so there is a precedent.

  There is one very useful thing that this rival group could accomplish. They could process letters of disassociation. I would recommend that they keep the identities of those who disassociate private, but they could send them a letter saying that the request has been approved. This letter could be used to threaten legal action against any elders who represent the Governing Body and try to punish them in any way, including an announcement that is intended to get the congregation to shun them.""

  Here is some information on the Mormon precedent.

  http://www.mormonnomore.com/legal-precedent

  That same website says, "Legally you can submit your resignation to any representative of the church". Assuming this is true, it should be valid to send a letter of resignation to a group of anointed Witnesses who are maintaining the traditions of JW's rather than the Governing Body or those who support them in their coup.
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  So Men tell me

  by Lady Lee in

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  2. friends

  what do you like as a gift?

  i have absolutely no idea what to make or give my son-in-law for his birthday or for christmas.

  he has all the newest gadgets which i could not afford anyways so i am stumped.. gotta be inexpensive (on a strict budget) and if i can make it all the better.

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  Micro brewed beer can be a good choice. If you can find out what basic type of beer he likes, you can buy him a brand that he is unlikely to be familiar with. You can just start buying six packs until your budget runs out. If he likes beer, he will think about you every time he drinks a bottle.
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  Possible Reasons For The Faithful And Discreet Slave Change

  by DT in

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  2. friends

  i've been thinking a lot about the new faithful and discreet slave understanding.. first of all, i regard the faithful and discreet slave doctrine to be the core doctrine of jehovah's witnesses.

  without a single charismatic leader like other cults, the watchtower society needed to have something to keep the rank and file in line.

  the fds doctrine was mysterious and served to give the organisation a leadership structure that appeared to be directly connected to god.

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  "Its a consolidation of where the power structure was already; a pretty natural evolution, considering."

  I tend to agree. However, I'm referring to the claim that Jehovah's Witnesses have agreed to follow the direction of the Faithful And Discreet Slave (as previously understood) and therefore are subject to the organization's disciplinary procedures. Changing the identity of the FDS in a move to consolidate power calls into question whether the Governing Body has any right to discipline those who refuse to accept this change.
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  We Need A Group Of Anointed To Challenge The Governing Body

  by DT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i believe that a coup is one of the governing body's worst nightmares.. imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization.. this may be one of the reasons the governing body removed the special status of the anointed and placed it on an organizational arrangement that they just happen to occupy.. the irony is that this action is a coup in itself.

  by declaring themselves leaders in complete control of the organization, they have created a rival group composed of those who disagree.

  these people have no obligation to follow these newly self appointed leaders.

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  "you mean replace one organization...with another organization?...this is rather small-minded, isn't it dt?..."

  I have no interest in replacing one organization with another.

  My primary goal is to help people leave without facing the traditional sanctions. I am of the opinion that the Governing Body changed the conditions of membership of Jehovah's Witnesses and may have lost their claim to authority over those who refuse to go along with the new changes.

  This provides possible legal defenses for faders who are later threatened by elders representing the Governing Body. I believe that simply no longer participating in meetings or the ministry is sufficient to establish that one is no longer associated with Jehovah's Witnesses. However, having a letter from a group that is following the traditional beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses acknowledging that the person resigned could make for an even stronger case.