jacethespace
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jws and organ donors
by jacethespace injehovahs witnesses used to view organ donors/ transplants as cannabalism and as such these things were banned in the org some years ago.. some questions ive been wondering about - how serious did the org take this belief back then.. was it as big as blood transfusions today.. did people in the org die from refusing organ donors.
what is the history of this belief and why did they drop it in the end.. what scriptures did the org twist use to justify this stance..
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Tax collector or publican
by jacethespace inluke chapter 18:9-14 says- 9 and he spoke this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous and despised others 10 two men went up into the temple to pray the one a pharisee and the other a publican 11 the pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, god i thank you that i am not as other men adulterers or even as this publican 12 i fast twice in the week i give tithes of all that i possess 13 and the publican standing afar off would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast saying god be merciful to me a sinner 14 i tell you this man went down to his house justified rather than the other, for everyone that exalts himself shall be abased and he that humbles himself shall be exalted.. now to be fair i have met some people in the tower who are generally humble, but i was wondering out of this parable who does the rank and file jw and governing body, elders, circuit overseers basically follow after.the tax collector or the lowly publican?.
i mean it is certain that the watchtower does despise others [ worldly, etc] and they do generally have the tax collector attitude of " i thank you god that i am not like other men.and a lot of them are anything but humble and abased.. this is evident even in the ministry when i was out there were some that would leave the houses muttering " its there funeral at armaggedon.. one elder even said once to me that the best part of the truth is that the wicked dont have a say in whether there going, jehovah will just remove them whether that want to go or not.. what do you think?
who does the tower represent the tax collector or the publican?
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How we are dealt with when doubts arise
by jacethespace inwhen ive had doubts about the tower before i left, the elder i spoke to always kept saying that he would have to let the presiding overseer in the cong know about this, even when i said i didnt want anyone else to know.i was wondering what goes on when the po gets to know this and why do they do this does anyone know?
also in the past when i have expressed doubts they always suggest a visit to " encourage me" and then two people turn up usually an elder and presiding overseer.to me this feels like intimidation.and i have told them as such.. also when after the meetings the elders meet together will they discuss things about me amongst themselves?.
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The bible and israel
by jacethespace inas jehovahs witnesses we were told over and over that jws are gods modern day servants today and jehovahs using us to bring salvation to the world.we were also told that the words israel and jerusalem in prophecy for our day refer to spiritual israel and jerusalem, not fleshly israel.. but does bible prophecy show that?
especially in the old testament.. we know how charles taze russell traveled to israel to try and figure out whether they were gods chosen people still.this is highlighted especially in the jws proclaimers book.and the watchtower believed that israel were still gods people up until the 30s [ if anybody has any info on this and dates please let me know as im not sure when they dropped this belief exactly].charles taze russell in fact sent tracts to israel and the jews telling them that they could look forward to salvation.intresting point is that this was after jesus had apparently give his approvall to the faithfull and discrete slave channel.. zechariah 12:2 says behold i will make jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about.when they shall be in the siege both against jerusalem and against judah.12:3- and in that day will i make jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.. is this prophecy being fullfilled today through literal israel?.
but the most intresting chapter of zechariah is chapter 14 which speaks of the lords day and jesus second coming.it says:.
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Revenge on the tower
by jacethespace inhas anyone ever got personal revenge on the tower for the way they have been treated.. because these people have taken 7 yrs of my life and if they think they are going to turn on me and shun me when i dont agree with there beliefs and im just going to keep quite then there living in a fantasy world.sorry i forgot they allready do.. mine involves half way through the second half of a thursday meeting of the ministry school.
1- a front gate.
2- some very heavy duty padlocks.. 3- leaving them to spend some loving quality time with their brothers and sisters.. 4-thats just the beggining.. have you got any stories?.
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Paradise is here now strip
by jacethespace inat the end of one tuesday night home meeting some in the group got into a discussion about how at some stage once we enter paradise we will probably go right back to wearing no clothes just like adam and eve did.. one elderly lady commented how she didnt want to be in paradise if she would have to be naked in front of everyone.. can you imagine being at the hall in paradise and going through the new light watchtower entitled " paradise is here/ now strip.after completing the sunday watchtower your then told " dont forget everyone before you leave the hall take your clothes and give them to the elders and if you dont we,ll disfellowship you .
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What is it about jws and the spanish inquisition
by jacethespace ina lot of jws myself included to a certain degree seem to develop an attitude of asking prying questions.for the soul purpose of gathering information about things and other people.. this was something that i started to notice just before i left the wt and it became quite annoying, esp when they sometimes grill you about things that you dont want to talk about or at least not at that time, like personal problems.it can become so iritatating and makes you feel like telling them to mind their own buisness and give the spanish inquisition a break.. what causes this mentality?
cause at times i noticed that this behavour esp to outsiders of the tower is not always friendly and seems quite sinister..
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Who really wrote the bible
by jacethespace ini was always taught when i joined jws that moses wrote all of the book of genesis.in the all scripture inspired book on page 13 verse 3 it says:.
jehovah god is the author of the bible but he inspired moses to write the book of genesis.from where did moses get the information he recorded in genesis?
some could have been recieved directly by divine revelation and some under the direction of holy spirit.. verse 5 says- there is no question as to who wrote genesis.. well yes there was, in the watchtower magazine 1959 10/1 [ could be 1/10, depending on which country your in] called -finding the truth that makes men free [ taken from the watchtower program 2004] section 15 has this to say:.
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Is the world facing a new world order.
by jacethespace infor quite some time now i have been researching about the new world order and ive gotta say there is something in this.take for example videos of henry kissinger up on youtube being interviewed by charlie rose on a number of occasions.back in 2005 kissinger said " in the next 4 years we will see the beginnings of a new world order.earlier this year he said " in 2 years we will see the emergence of a new world order" and that " america is not very good at foreign policy, neverless they are in a key position so that the problem of the bush presidency will be the emergence of a new international order.and " either this administration will have to travel this road or the new administration.. gorden brown new british prime minister gave a speech to cbi company back in may 07 and said " what does a new world order mean for britain".at the end of the speech he said " in conclusion ladies and gentleman a new world order is emerging.gorden browns speech is up on cbi,s website or youtube.. at the moment america is being integrated with the north american union.in britain and other countries we are getting the european union.there is the africa union and a few others.. there is huge amounts of evidence on government websites.even documents on the cia website called the cia in the new world order through 2015.. the question is what is meant by the new world order, is it as sinister as people say it is.. i would like to hear your opinons on this and any information you might have on the nwo..