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Missing books
by jacethespace inare there missing books from the bible that christians of the 1st century and perhaps the children of israel used?
which were taken out when the roman catholic church ordained the bible.. joshua 10:13 says -is not this written in the book of jasher?.
2 samual 1:18 also mentions a book of jasher.. 2 chronicles 9:29 says- now the rest of the acts of solomon first and last are they not written in the book of nathan the prophet and in the prophecy of ahijah the shilonate and in the visions of iddo the seer.
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What goes bump in the night
by jacethespace injust wondered what you would make of this news story about a familys home that has strange paranormal goings on.the local council has called in and paid a psychic to rid the home of unwanted spirits.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7240405.stm.
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Does the watchtower need to loosen up
by jacethespace indo most jehovahs witnesses have a problem with having a sense of humor?or should i say a lack of it?.
i had an intresting experience a while back ive been thinking about after not going to meetings for a number of months and developing my own " independant thinking" and breaking from watchtower control.. i met with an elder at home and had a chat with him and during the conversation i commented on a funny cartoon sketch i saw about religion.he laughed with that strange programmed laughter i noticed before in the tower and then made a comment which got me really suspicous , he said " yeah we have got a sense of humor in the truth as well and can have a laugh".i remember thinking he had said that after encountering something that he found alien to the truth.from me and my own independant thinking seprate from watchtower control.. was really strange the way it was said like he had noticed something good in me thats not in the watchtower and tried to justify himself to convince himself it was nothing.. its things like that that make me sit up and question the watchtower.. and one of my friends in the tower that has been in all his life hes in his forties and i have always found him quite funny beacause he has like this rebelious attitude about him that seems to go against the tower.hes always looking for an excuse to have a party and have fun and get people together in the cong.and for this people say about him that hes on the edge of the truth.actually they just dont have a sense of humor and seem to be anti life.why?.
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New arms race
by jacethespace inpresident putin of russia says we are heading for a new arms race .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7234817.stm.
do you think the worlds developing a new arms race?and where will it end..
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jws raided/azerbaijan
by jacethespace injehovahs witness meetings in azerbaijan have been raided especially house meetings where they are said to be illegal http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=1082
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Convention time!
by jacethespace inhow many of you attended a convention at a stadium and at the end of the loooonng weekend .
wheres that scripture which says "let another person praise you and not your own mouth" somewhere in proverbs,i guess though it doesnt apply to the governing body as per usual.. i was always suspicious of these boasting sessions at conventions and thought it was nothing but hyped up advertising for the tower.i was also suspicious of all those donation boxes all around the stadium at conventions.a christndom church has one box at the back of the hall as well as plate passing the tower has a box at the hall and hudreds scattered everywhere at a convention/assembly.not much diffrence to me.. it was funny how there was a lot of difficulty to leave the car parks at the end of the day with some cursing others for being in the way and having to que up.then we would leave and remark on being back "in the world".oh no all those mad drivers everywhere now we are out of " paradise" dashing about..
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Watchtower teachings
by jacethespace ina while ago i did a thread about the nephillim and was wondering whether the fallen angels were physical beings.. some here mentioned the watchtower reasoning about how the fallen angels who had children with the women [ in genesis 6] took on human bodies then discarded them when god sent the flood over the earth.. i thought about this and looked at the scriptures and realised that there is no scripture to back the watchtowers reasoning up on " the sons of god" taking fleshly bodies.then discarding them in the flood.this shows how the tower has an "answer for everything" mentally.. is there any other beliefs that the watchtower has gotten us to believe in which cant be backed up by scripture?.
while i was studying i was intrested to know what happened to enoch.in genesis 5:24- and enoch walked with god and he was not for god took him.i was told that god put enoch to sleep to spare him from the wicked around him that would have killed him.although there is no evidence either in the scriptures for this.it just shows how the watchtower interprets things for themselves..
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Peoples temple cult
by jacethespace ini just watched a documentary about the peoples temple cult and was suprised to find there is some intresting similarites between there attitude beliefs and the watchtower society.. they began as an ordinary group intrested in morals and god and jim jones gradually manipulated them to the point of murder and suicide.. he would reprimand people in front of the whole congregation playing on peoples fears and guilt to the point where sometimes he would encourage others to hit a " wrongdoer".as he got more control over the people they feared to leave and anyone that spoke about leaving was turned in by there own family, hmm that sounds familar.
jim jones feared some that got out and tried to shield the congregation from bad press which is why around 900 were " encouraged " to leave america and go to guyana to what they called jonestown.he told his members that they couldnt leave and that the world would harm them if they ever left.. at one time he passed around a cup to drink and then told the congregation they had drank poison then after they panicked he told them it wasnt true he was just " testing to see how loyal they would be to him".. when they moved to jonestown they set up there own paradise.they grew there own food and made themselves completly independant from the outside world.they built there own homes and would have no outside information except a loudspeaker which jim jones spoke over and used recorded speechs on even throughout the night.he was telling them that the whole world was coming to turn on them and kill them and take away what they had.. when they said they wanted to leave he would say they were committing " blasphemy" by leaving and they would change there mind.. sadly at the end they encouraged mass suicide and took with them a visiting congressman.. paradise quickly turned into chaos and a nightmare and it got me thinking about the wachtowers utopian dream of paradise on earth.if they watchtower cant get things right now how the hell are they going to be capable of governing the whole planet in " the new system.. this isnt the same documentary but heres a link to one documentary about the peoples temple.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3625536419231928674&q=peoples+temple&total=2133&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4.
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Ray franz talk video
by jacethespace inveryhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc5u2ekd-7e&feature=related intresting video of ray franz giving a talk on youtube .its in four parts though so you,ll have to look for the other three.
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seeds of doubt
by jacethespace inwhen out in field service circus did you ever speak to an householder who made you question whether this was the truth rather than you getting them to think about what you were saying?or what other things did you see that made you wonder if this is gods org?or convinced you it couldnt be?.
i remember one householder i visited one saturday morning and i started my usual door to door message offering the watchtower and awake but the guy i spoke to seemed to have a good understanding of history and religion and said " we dont want to go back to becoming slaves again like in the past ".and ive never forgot that person and what he said it really made me think about who i might actually be slaving for.. i also started to doubt when some out in field circus left peoples houses saying " if they die at armaggedon its there own fault " and i often used to think how the householder would feel if they heard some of the comments made about them, they would probably never open the door again to jws so much for not stumbling weak ones.. i also know some jws who always boasted about counting their time as soon as they jumped on the bus to the hall for field circus and offered a tract or a dose of anthrax magazine.. other times i was working with an elder who admitted to me that he admired spiritual people cause he didnt feel he was spiritual and felt materalistic which i thought was sad.the same elder told me he didnt think " the truth" could help with everything so much for appointed elders being qualified.. these things and many others just fueled my doubts about jehovahs loving.
but no its not the watchtower its satan and the demons out ta.... getchaa..