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or: "common responses to criticism, by active jehovah's witnesses", which i could also have called this topic.. .
-a video i just saw on youtube made by an active witness took me down memory lane a bit, and reminded me of how i used to think and respond to some common criticisms of the jws.
as i started writing this post, i had planned to put this person's thoughts point-by-point, but it turned out he was pretty much only covering one common critisism.
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lyrics and melody by pearl jam.. the music may not be for everyone, but i recognized myself in the lyrics.. .
you're always saying that there's something wrong.
i'm starting to believe it's your plan all along.
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let's say you've grown up in a country that - somehow - has shielded you completely from any knowledge of the bible and its god and history.
all your life you've believed in the four legged, three headed, four winged borlifingus (of course, the arms, legs etc.
are just representations of it's spiritual properties).
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the future earthly paradise is supposed to be a calm, peaceful place where people can live forever in harmony with each other and nature, a place where nothing bad will happen, and suffering, death and destruction does not exist.. there is a problem here (well, there are several, but here's another).
what about natural disasters?
easy-peasy to answer; jehovah will make it so those never happen, right?.
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-this is a hypothetical "for the sake of argument"-topic, where we take for granted that the biblical story of adam and eve (as it is presented in the bible we have available today) is literally true.
i think it can be an interesting exercise.. now - let's for this discussion say god did not plant any 'special' tree in the garden of eden.
no tree of knowledge, and no tree of life.
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-how powerful the thought of an afterlife is, if you can make people believe in it!
what power would religions have over people if it weren't for the teachings of an afterlife?
while reading crisis of conscience way back, it dawned on me that most of the things that separate 'apostate' thinking from jw thinking, and makes us appalled at some of the teachings, is simply that active jws truly believe that following the organization's guidance will lead to an ever lasting afterlife.
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i have a couple of gb related questions.. in crisis of conscience, ray mentions several times the way decisions are (were?
) made by a voting system.
having been brought up in another country (not us), i was rather surprised at the kinds of things they would decide; ray has a few copies in his book of letters from various congregations, letters that sometimes take up quite personal matters concerning a couple of people in one single congregation, for instance.
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this story of how jesus supposedly inspected earth in 1918 and as a result chose the bible students to be his people in 1919 (since they were the only true christians) is rather important to me.. we have discussed previously to some extent how they at that time believed a lot of things that jws no longer believe; for instance they still celebrated christmas and russel was the entire faithful and discreet slave.. however - the reason i raise the topic again, is to ask what things did they believe in 1919 that one could say would truly separate them from all other denominations?.
i guess they used the name jehovah.
i guess they didn't believe in the trinity(?).
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-did you ever stuff up your presentation while going door-to-door?.
i remember one beautiful summer day, me and my 'partner' were slowly approaching a man working in his garden.
it was warm, it was sunny, it was beautiful, it was peaceful and quiet - you might say it was "paradise".