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  In a nutshell.......

  by Tatiana in

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  now tell me why i believed this crap for so long?

  i feel like kicking my own ass!!!

  the truth (as i see it).

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  Wow
  What a great summary !!
  I'm going to save it to show my mum who is a dissillusioned JW.
  Thanks

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  They shun you--Do you love them?

  by ashitaka in

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  for all who have, are, or will be shunned (which should pretty much be all of us), do you still have a deep love for those who now shun you...now, not familial love, but an active love that yearns for that person's companionship?.

  i have several regrets; one of them is the friends that i've lost.

  how about you guys?.

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  Good topic.
  I've been on the shun list for over 10 years and found it easier 'cause I moved to the other side of the city and avoid accidental meetings.
  Remembering how it felt to be the shunner I have to say it's a lot less stressful to be the shunned one. I actually feel sorry for them usually.
  In my congregation a certain elder had to counsel me (yes, little me!!) once or twice and was my group study conductor for a while. He recently came into where I work with his wife for some advice and had to be dealt with by yours truly. There was an initial awkward moment and I sensed they wanted to flee right back out of the door but eventually they calmed down and we chatted about family stuff and this and that and it was all very friendly and civil. After they had gone I thought to myself I could easily walk into them in a few minutes outside work and despite our cheery chatter they would be obliged to ignore me. Imagine what my colleagues at work would make of that? Sad and bizarre.
  Do I love my old friends? Some but not all. Bit like when I was a witness. I miss my best friend and her hubby and wish I could talk to her and appeal to her intelligence. I miss the old gang I grew up with.
  I have to add though that on the odd occasion I have seen an old witness friend they have usually said 'hello' and smiled sadly as they passed. I was harsher than that myself when one of my friends was DF'd and I cut her dead believing I was doing it for Jehovah.

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  So How Active An Opponent Are You Really?

  by Englishman in

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  if you are an ex-jw, how do you rate yourself as a jw opponent?.

  are you totally live and let live?

  maybe happy to chat to someone who has doubts?

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  Englishman
  Good question...and it made me stop and think. I am held back from being more active because my mum is a JW going through major doubts and realisations and she has asked me to 'keep my head down' while she decides what to do. You can imagine the outrage if it became common knowledge I was an 'apostate' !!!!!
  So if I had the freedom to go for it and make waves would I?
  Half of me murmers 'no they stole my childhood' they raped my teens' they abused my early adulthood...why should they keep on ruining my life'.
  On the other hand..
  I'd like to start a campaign the elders in my area would never forget and try and open the eyes of just a few of those bleating sheep.
  When the day arrives my mum relaxes her restrictions I hope she will join me in the latter course. But until the label 'apostate' ceases to be worse than rapist, murderer or even paedophile in JW eyes I just can't see my mum daring to 'come out'.
  I can't blame her. After 10 years disfellowshipped I still cringe at the word. That's how much fear they instilled in me.

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  Please Tell Me About Ex-Dub Love

  by Mindchild in

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  i think it is a bit sad that finding and keeping love in our lives is a bit of an uphill struggle.

  when i had to choose between the real world and the watchtower world years ago, my parents told me that i would never find love out there in this wicked system of things.

  they quoted me scriptures which avowed the myth that only real love comes from the fruitage of the spirit and what passes for love in the world is nothing but lust.

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  Typical pompous remark that..what passes for love in the world is lust.
  So what prompted nearly every single one of my peers as a JW youth to race into marriage as teenagers? Love or lust?
  I married in my thirties as an ex-JW and though lust quite naturally reared it's head LOVE was the driving force that kept us together and still does.
  How arrogant of JW's to insinuate that 'worldly' people are incapable of tender and genuine love whether romantic or agape! Yet another fallacy from the Super Smug You Are All Going To Die Crowd...and they want to preach about true love?

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  Witness pick-up lines

  by momoftwo in

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  did you know that i was interested in you?

  "i'm not interested".

  "if you mean that you're not interested in having another boyfriend, i can understand that.

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  Oh the memories came flooding back...
  So desperate I prayed to meet a brother at the next circuit/district assembly and posed frantically in intervals till sweat broke out..
  And didn't it drive you barmey when some married sister would say Jehovah would bless you if you pioneered so you wondered what you must have done to offend Him when you were stuck on the shelf after slogging fulltime 'on the doors' year in year out!!
  As for chat-up lines...wish I'd heard a few more..ANY would've done LOL

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  The Russell/Mason debate

  by NikL in

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  i have noticed there is some debate on this board about russell and whether he was a mason or not.

  some say he is a part of a conspiracy others say it is nonesence.. i am, to be quite honest, not sure where i fit in this.

  i do find it interesting that russell is buried under a pyramid in the masonic section of a grave yard.

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  Mad
  Did you read the thread?
  NikL asked for someone to offer proof that Russell was not a mason.
  That's all.
  I'd like to see some of that myself.

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  I'm Screwed Up, You're Screwed Up

  by Farkel in

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  i have not followed very many threads of late, so if someone has already made the same observations i'm about to make, i apologize for my redundancy.. .

  i admit it: i'm part of a highly secretive, highly elite group.

  (we have to drink two quarts of fresh yak blood and get a tattoo of a pentagram on our butts as part of of the initiation.

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  . We have to show more tolerance and respect for our differences, and we constantly have to work on developing that "love" for each other that we never had as dubs. It is our duty, no, it is our OBLIGATION to rise above our sordid pasts and let our lives be the examples of compassion and understanding that we never had as JWs.

  Well said Farkel, bruv.

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  Charitable Planning Brochure

  by Free2Bme in

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  sorry if this has been covered and i missed it but i just wondered if anyone had got hold of a copy of the brochure 'charitable planning to benefit kingdom service worldwide' that was plugged in the nov 1st wt?.

  it astounds me that(in the light of the scathing criticism the wt society is getting) that they dare to publish a booklet designed solely for begging purposes.. anyone with a copy please scan us a few gems to keep us suitably disgusted.. what about the title of the accompanying article?.

  'the blessing of jehovah-that is what makes rich'should be re-phrased 'the donations of the living and especially the charitably planned donations of the dead-make the wt society rich'.

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  Sorry if this has been covered and i missed it but I just wondered if anyone had got hold of a copy of the brochure 'Charitable Planning to Benefit Kingdom Service Worldwide' that was plugged in the Nov 1st WT?

  It astounds me that(in the light of the scathing criticism the WT society is getting) that they dare to publish a booklet designed solely for begging purposes.

  Anyone with a copy please scan us a few gems to keep us suitably disgusted.

  What about the title of the accompanying article?
  'The Blessing of Jehovah-that is what Makes Rich'should be re-phrased 'The Donations of the Living and especially the Charitably Planned Donations of the Dead-Make The WT Society Rich'

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  Testimony of a JW becoming a Muslim

  by sf in

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  < http://www.sharif.org.uk/priests.htm.

  raphael - former jehovah's witness minister .

  a forty-two-year-old latino, raphael, is a los angeles-based comic and lecturer.

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  Hi SF,

  I enjoyed the testimony. Made me laugh.
  As an ex-JW with Muslim hubby and in-laws I had to smile. When I lived in my husband's country it was amazing learning all the codes of conduct etc. People have so many misconceptions about Islam because they associate it with fanaticism. But Christian fanaticism has caused far more bloodshed.
  Personally I think the world would be a better place without religion altogether. But that's not going to happen because us humans just love having something to mistrust, fight and hate eachother over.

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  I NEED ADVICE DESPERATELY!!!

  by concerned fiance in

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  here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.

  he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.

  for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.

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  Concerned,
  Just wanted to say I think one or two comments have been a little harsh on your fiance.
  I don't see his gut reaction as a self-preservation thing. More like a genuine fear he is ignoring a prod from God. Those moments of intense spiritual need hit the worst of us. It's easy to feel guilty after years of brainwashing from the society. He probably feels his choice is between God and you not his own life and you. If his concern was mainly for his own life then I agree with those that advised you to move on. But I'd like to think he is just a genuine guy who loved his God intensely once and never really got over it. Giving you up in that case would be a kind of bittersweet martyrdom ensuring God's favour and your fiances' relief despite his misery.

  Hope you sort him out and help him recover from his JW deeprooted indoctrination. I'm sure he will be a different guy after his heart and mind is freed from it all.

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