I have been sent, in order for me to refute, some more learned material.
Holocaust Denier trying to show that the crematoria/ovens at one of the death camps could not possibly have coped with the number/volume of bodies
>The gassing and burning supposedly happened between 1942 and 1944.
>I believe the accepted number at Aushwitz is around 2 million gassed and burned.
The first one by the Holocaust Denier. The figure, consistent with the "five to six million Jews murdered in total", is about 1.1 million Jews murdered in Auschwitz-Birkenau, plus a small number of non-Jews. My earlier posts in this very thread contain the data and sources.
As not all the mass-murder occurred in the period specified, we are probably safe to use as the aggregate figure (Jews and others) of 1.1 million for this period within 1942-4. Certainly nowhere near 2 million.
Note that the Denier can't even spell "Auschwitz".
>That means 1 million per year.
It suits the Denier, who is trying to prove the ovens could not have done the work, to use "2 years" as the period, to maximize the daily disposal rate and therefore provide a strawman to knock down - just in the same way and for the same purpose that he used "2 million" instead of 1.1 million.
Let us check the facts.
Auschwitz was an internment camp for Polish political prisoners until June 1941 when Himmler ordered its conversion to a death camp. The official order involving the "Endlosung" (Final Solution) i.e. to start the Holocaust was dated 31 July 1941; Goering signed it and Reinhard Heydrich acknowledged receiving it. The Wannsee Conference, which set rules and administrative procedures for the Holocaust-to-be, met in January 1942. This camp's conversion took over half a year. So, the systematic genocide in Auschwitz ran from Spring 1942 to November 1944, when Himmler ordered the overt killing to stop - the military defeat of Germany was apparent to him, and he wanted time to clear up the evidence and cover his tracks so monkeys later on could argue that the Holocaust genocide never happened, that documents proven genuine in court in 1945-6 could be discounted as being too old and susceptible to forgery in 2002, and all manner of other idiocy.
I digress. Spring 1942 to November 1944 is a period of 31 or 32 months, not 24 months = 2 years. The second one by the Holocaust Denier.
So the actual total executed ran at lower than 1.1 million per 31 months i.e. 425,000 per year. {b]Not "1 million per year".
>500,000 in six months. 250,000 in three months. 125,000 in a 45 days.
No. No. No.
>That means 2777 were gassed and burned per day at Aushwitz.
No, that means that on average fewer than 1,170 (and NOT 2777) were gassed and burned per day at Auschwitz-Birkenau during the said period. The Holocaust Denier needs remedial math.
And his wording indicates he doesnt understand what an "average" is. On some days, more were killed and or incinerated. On some days, fewer. No one claimed a steady rate. The rate was largely determined by when the trainloads-full of victimslice arrived, right?
> (Someone here really believes that?)
No. The "that" is a strawman figure the Holocaust Denier has created himself.
And not all the victims were gassed and not all the bodies were burned in crematoria, either. As the official HydroKorp peephole study referred to in my post above shows, many were also disposed of in pits/ditches where they were burned, and the bone fragments, ash and hair found 10 feet down in many areas within the camp.
If we are talking about Krematoria victims, the total is therefore down in this short period to 900,000 (the burning pits/ditches took care of the remainder - about 200,000 corpses and operated in parallel to the ovens at peak times when the trains were coming in too fast; e.g. when the Hungarian Jews were being slaughtered). This corresponds to an average of 950 corpses per day disposed of within the ovens (as distinct from the pits/ditches), computed as above.
950 per day was well within the capacity of the four giant Krematoria at Auschwitz, as I will prove below using evidence shown and accepted as genuine in international courts of law:
This is an official report from qualified engineer S.S. Sturmbannfuehrer Jahrling to S.S. Generalmajor Kammler (who was also a qualified engineer), stating that the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses per day running at their rated capacity. That is not the absolute fastest rate either, but the RATED capacity if run at 24 hours per day but making allowance for occasional maintenance and breakdowns. We all know RATED capacity contains a safety margin. Running them at breakneck pace, and allowing for the fact that most of the corpses would be of starving, skin-and-bones people who did not take up much space and could be crammed together, would suggest that the real capacity at near-breakdown rates would be twice this i.e. over 9,500 corpses per day. BUT I WILL USE THE LOWER FIGURE NONETHELESS
So the claim that the ovens "could not have" done the job has been shown to be Number Three from the Denier. On the contrary, the Krematoria certainly could have disposed of **FIVE TIMES** as many (ratio of 4,756 to under 950) corpses running just at their OFFICIAL RATED CAPACITY. Can the Holocaust Denier count?
Another matter - why build four huge crematoriums in Birkenau with such enormous disposal capabilities unless mass-murder was in mind? Perhaps the Holocaust Deniers believe in Giant Lice....
I have here demonstrated the trustworthiness of the argumentation employed by some, er, "learned historians and scientists". What next? Do they want us to believe that the Nazi murderers were carefully following modern-day, hygienic crematorium clinical and legal procedures relating to segregation of ash and bone fragments from different corpses, scrupulously cleaning out the oven after each burning? Or that the endless supply of oven-stoking sonderkommando (themselves prisoners who would be killed and burned as soon as their enthusiasm for or efficiency at their work flagged) enjoyed long breaks, went on holidays, took part in strikes, etc.?
I hope I am not the only one with a very, very bad taste in my mouth from even thinking about it. Gassing - itself a fiendish death by torture - of innocent children, women and men, shrieking to their deaths and clawing at each other in desperation in the darkness[/b], is something only monsters could perpetrate. And the Nazis were exactly such despicable monsters.
As to who could possibly in the tiniest way revel in minimizing this, I am unable to say: I sincerely hope no one actually does.
Why People Believe Weird Things.... is it poor education, poor reading comprehension, poor analytical skills? A reluctance to admit they are totally wrong and have been made fools of by a Cult? Or, by making these excuses, am I being an apologist myself?
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Focus
(Love and Forgiveness Class)
Edited by - Focus on 13 December 2002 22:50:3
