Posts by FiveShadows

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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical

by MrMoe in

jesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?

based upon what?

jehovah's rules?

FiveShadows

Actually i was told to write that post and i heard the spirit say 'this is not for all but someone who's reading the response' I still don't know who this person is. The fact of the matter is...the answers to the major questions in demand are given... However someone demands a certian attention to be given ...that i was pretty sure i covered but i guess now it is in need of GREAT detail

you asked: Why would an omnipotent god need to become flesh in order to sacrifice himself to himself, so that his creations may escape the wrath of himself

The answer is very simple 1) Jah-Eshua and Jah are two different spirits (John 20:31, 14:6)but know eachother so much are alike in personality so much that they are completely identical.

2) Jah-Eshua did not recieve 'all power' and 'authority' till after his resurrection found in Mt 28:18

3) if you are referring To 'Jah' or as many know of Him 'Jehovah' i stated this:

Death made a bargin with God that if He (God) would give Death His only begotten Son ('The LIFE' John 14:6) He would release the world from the pains of Death.( Mt 20:28, 1 Timothy 2:6) ....

Why? Because Death wishes to CONSUME LIFE. And Christ IS 'the Life.' God knowing that Death was a liar agreed these terms.

Death, being a liar, Held on to Christ but did not release the world as he promised. (Proverbs 27:20, Habakkuk 2:5, Acts 2:24, Ephesians 4:8-10)This made it justified for God not only to take back His Son but also to release the world from Death's hold

God must be Just ...if He is not...then He would be no different then Death who is unjust yes?

You see it is not 'escaping the wrath of himself' but rather saving the world from Death's hold so all life is not destroyed. He sacraficed His Son's life so anyone who wants life can recieve it, those that do NOT want 'life' have 'chosen' their 'Father' which is Death (Proverbs 8: 35,36) and the Wrath of God is the unveiling of the hedge (Job 1:10) that is upon all life that holds us out of Death's grasp and DEATH comes and consumes those that have chosen him as their father.

Gumby you stated:

You do the same as you accuse him of doing. You called him prideful with a clouded heart.
At least he has looked at both sides....from Christianity side......AND a sceptical side.....sceptical meaning having the balls to see if The bible really isn't god's word, and "stuff" like that.Have you?

Once again you did not know my motive...i came back FIVE DAYS later to add something for SOMEONE on this post required 'proof' so the spirit turned the attention on them finding 'Truth' by themselves and the message was to put aside all of that which is bad and seek only Truth out of a pure Heart and you shall have it. Besides 'scriptures' and 'books' ...seek it out by means of Truth in your OWN heart ...I was sent to speak WHY you or whomever this might apply to was not recieving their answers and that my Lord has TRIED to give them that which they ask for. i'm sorry i didn't think i needed to make this 'clear' but will keep it in mind for future reference. I apologize if i have offended you or anyone else. If you or Donkey or anyone else took 'offense' to the post...i'm sorry my intensions were not doing that, for clearly it was for someone. I don't know if it was Mr Moe or someone who was watching all this. But if you yourself are indeed taking offense Your assumptions of this prideful attitude and arrogance etc 'attitude that i have'...is only but an assumption ...If it bothers you...Then is Holy spirit trying to tell you something? The Spirit directed my to write this because at that point my heart was pure in motive...I am not perfect...that is why i need my Lord. For the SPIRIT made it CLEAR how to LISTEN to Him. How to recieve your answers. No one else but YOU and Truth. No books no priests no nothing else. And you are trying to seek out the Truth of the matter yes? I am not a perfect person nor do i claim to be one. Infact in my OTHER posts i was directed by the spirit to inform everyone to 'test out the inspired expression.' To answer your question...yes i have done that which you inquire about. I never claimed that God's Word is 'the bible.' I believe it is Christ based on John 1:1, 1:14, 17:17, 14:6, Revelation 19:13 I do not believe in religion but rather go straight to Christ. The bible is an 'inspired expression' is it not? So we must 'test it out' as directed in 1 John 4:1-4 yes? To find out the Truth in it and the 'assumptions of prideful men?' The bible is not the means for 'salvation' ...it is Christ. (John 5:39,40) I am an ex jw. I have been disowned by my own family...my "girlfriend"...friends...i only have two-three people left in my life besides Christ and Jah. One of which i don't even talk to you that much because of distance. I do not enjoy this loss/persecution that i recieve from them...and infact it pains me greatly and many times i do not even wish to type or give messages because of people's contentions to be honest. When i try to explain my motive i get accused of several other things. But I try to do it to the best of my ability because I love my Lord and must do as i am directed above all else. Without Him I would be dead right now and because of Him...I have life and a home. I have been trying desperately to stick to Truth ...be loving towards all, but because of people's assumptions and no knowledge of my motive they go astray accusing me of things that i am not doing. I do not proclaim to be better than any of you, if anything i have learned of how horrible of a person I am. But If i am sent for one reason or another by the spirit...to deliver a message...i will do so, after i decipher whether it's Truth or not. Then its your turn to find out if it's Truth, if it's NOT...please come abck to me and let me know so i may inquire of my Lord. Now you (and anyone else) wanted answers to questions you inquired about...i presented scriptures. This was not sufficent enough. So the spirit informed me to tell you to seek out Truth in your heart, and the ONLY way you can find the absolute Truth of the matter is by not testing him, making your heart clean of pride..anger...hypocrasy ..etc...etc. Yes all fall short of from time to time...that's why the ransom was done. No one said fighting your own flesh was easy...infact they say 'you are your worst enemy.' But keep on 'seeking' and you will find.

"all will know you are my disciples if you have love among yourselves'

Edited by - FiveShadows on 27 December 2002 16:4:5

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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical

by MrMoe in

jesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?

based upon what?

jehovah's rules?

FiveShadows

If you must...put aside all your pride, animosity, envy, hypocracy, lies, deciet, testing from your heart and disown yourself, then ask from a clean ...pure...motive, that which is seeking out Truth and ONLY Truth,... if the information presented is Truth or not ...and LISTEN and HEAR that which you are told ...then you shall haveyour answers. Continually putting God and Christ to the test is only going to fruistrateyou more, then blaming God because of your testing and Him not responding angering you more. Yet, if God extends mercy and send his messengers to prsent the information that which you requested from Him becauseyou do not listen to Him nor His Son directly because of all that which clouds your mind (pride, animosity etc..) not onlydo you not listen to Him butyou also persecute the messenger in delivering the message and blame God, Christ and his servents. Truelyi say toyou today, He that disowns himselfand takes on the form of a servent recieves much reward in understanding of all things by means of Holyspirit. ~FS

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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical

by MrMoe in

jesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?

based upon what?

jehovah's rules?

FiveShadows

I have modified my post on the request of the people on this post for 'proof' ...please read the scriptures indicated.

as been requested:

I was moved with love to share the following with you all, to give some light on the suject in which you all inquire about

In the beginning as stated in my other posts there was Death (Hate) and God (love). Death had no power over good but God outo f the goodness of His (God's) heart created the 'Light' to stand in place of Darkness. Death wishes to consume LIFE. (maybe it's just me...but if Death didn't consume life...no one would die right? also John 1: 5, 6) All forms of life. That is what Death does. Genesis 1:1-3 speaks in regards this that there 'was' ALREADY darkness before 'The Light' (The Christ) ::John 8:12:: was created. Christ said 'I am the Truth, The Way, and THE LIGHT." This was the first thing created to stand in place of Darkness. (Colossians 1:15-17) Adam was given life to stay close to it and was informed not to eat of the Tree of the knowledge of good and bad. (Genesis 2:15-17) Why was this important? Because once Adam had partaken of the fruit he not only knew bad but became INTIMATE with this.(Gensis 3: 21-22) This world has you believe that 'knowledge is power' however truly i say to you today, 'He that gains knowledge' does not increase power but rather 'sorrow.' (Ecclesiastes 1:18 ) Knowing of the knowledge by intimate means made Adam prideful jealous angry selfish and full of hate etc.(Galations 5:19-20, ) Before this he never had manifested any of these traits. (Gensis 1:27, 31) He became 'unclean' in the sight of God, and did not practice the fruitage of the spirit.(Galations 5:22-24) This resulted in Death entering into the world. (Romans 5:12) But God showed mercy as He can upon anyone whom He choses to do so and provided 'The Way' for all to attain everlasting life.(John 14:6, Romans 9:14-15, Acts 4:10-12 Titus 1:1-3) Death made a bargin with God that if He (God) would give Death His only begotten Son ('The LIFE' John 14:6) He would release the world from the pains of Death.( Mt 20:28, 1 Timothy 2:6)

'Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a RANSOM in EXCHANGE for many"

www.dictionary.com defines ransom as: A)the release of property or a person for payment of a demanded price. b) The Price or payment demanded for such release.

Release from whom? (1 Corinthians 15:26)

Why? Because Death wishes to CONSUME LIFE. And Christ IS 'the Life.' God knowing that Death was a liar agreed these terms. (John 8:44 emphatic diaglott shows that Satan is NOT the father of the lie but rather HIS FATHER :Death: is the father of the LIE) Christ came and gave his soul AS A RANSOM (keyword) to free US from Death so we may attain everlasting life.(Hebrews 2:15, Collossians 1:13-14) In the process taught everyone not only what love was but what mercy was among other things. He taught us how to live and to show kindness and love to all so we may become one with Truth, and not 'the lie' (Death). After Christ's death He went to preach those that were already dead in Sheol about the hope of everlasting life.( 1 Peter 3: 18,19) Death, being a liar, Held on to Christ but did not release the world as he promised. (Proverbs 27:20, Habakkuk 2:5, Acts 2:24, Ephesians 4:8-10)This made it justified for God not only to take back His Son but also to release the world from Death's hold. Satan is not the last enemy may i remind you. For it is written that 'last enemy' is Death (1 Corinthians 15:26) That which will be brought to 'nothing.' God provided 'The WAY' (Christ) for us to attain life. This is why Christ said He was not only The Son of God but also 'the Light, the Truth, and THE WAY.' Anyone that wishes to listen and hear waht the spirit of Truth is speaking let them rejoice for they have understand that which prideful men and women have not yet with all the books of the world been able to comprehend. Why? Because they do not seek out Truth (Christ) but rather depend upon themselves and those prior to them to explain the 'mysteries' of suffering. Why is it taking so long? Let me remind you also for it is written: 'The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. ' (2 Peter 3:9) And for us to practice LOVE, Joy, Peace, Long suffering, Goodness, Faith, Mildness, Self control so we may push off our sinful inherited traits from Adam but rather become One with Life (Christ).

Once again, i am short of time at the San Antonio library and must go...but will respond more to this post as i am told to do so this week.

May Jah and Jah-Eshua's blessings be upon all. ~FS

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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical

by MrMoe in

jesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?

based upon what?

jehovah's rules?

FiveShadows

I apologize for not responding...i just came back on to write that i had not forgotten about this post. Once again i apologize however i am moving to california shortly and i have a lot to do. As of now once again i am short on time however, i will be on tomorrow to answer the questions that are posed on this website. please return to this post at the end of the week as i should have answered the questions listed. I ask for everyone's patience. ~FS p.s. i am at the library and there is a time limit ...my phone line is shut off and my computer internet is off for the moment which makes things difficult.

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Jesus Sacrifice - How Stupid and Illogical

by MrMoe in

jesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?

based upon what?

jehovah's rules?

FiveShadows

I was moved with love to share the following with you all, to give some light on the suject in which you all inquire about

In the beginning as stated in my other posts there was Death (Hate) and God (love). Death had no power over good but God outo f the goodness of His (God's) heart created the 'Light' to stand in place of Darkness. Death wishes to consume LIFE. All forms of life. That is what Death does. Genesis 1:1-3 speaks in regards this that there 'was' ALREADY darkness before 'The Light' (The Christ) ::John 8:12:: was created. Christ said 'I am the Truth, The Way, and THE LIGHT." This was the first thing created to stand in place of Darkness. Adam was given life to stay close to it and was informed not to eat of the Tree of the knowledge of good and bad. Why was this important? Because once Adam had partaken of the fruit he not only knew bad but became INTIMATE with this. This world has you believe that 'knowledge is power' however truly i say to you today, 'He that gains knowledge' does not increase power but rather 'sorrow.' (Ecclesiastes 1:18 ) Knowing of the knowledge by intimate means made Adam prideful jealous angry selfish and full of hate etc. Before this he never had manifested any of these traits. He became 'unclean' in the sight of God, and did not practice the fruitage of the spirit. This resulted in Death entering into the world. But God showed mercy as He can upon anyone whom He choses to do so and provided 'The Way' for all to attain everlasting life. Death made a bargin with God that if He (God) would give Death His only begotten Son ('The LIFE' John 14:6) He would release the world from the pains of Death. Why? Because Death wishes to CONSUME LIFE. And Christ IS 'the Life.' God knowing that Death was a liar agreed these terms. Christ came and gave his soul AS A RANSOM (keyword) to free US from Death so we may attain everlasting life. In the process taught everyone not only what love was but what mercy was among other things. He taught us how to live and to show kindness and love to all so we may become one with Truth, and not 'the lie' (Death). After Christ's death He went to preach those that were already dead in Sheol about the hope of everlasting life. Death, being a liar, Held on to Christ but did not release the world as He promised. This made it justified for God not only to take back His Son but also to release the world from Death's hold. Satan is not the last enemy may i remind you. For it is written that 'last enemy' is Death (1 Corinthians 15:26) That which will be brought to 'nothing.' God provided 'The WAY' (Christ) for us to attain life. This is why Christ said He was not only The Son of God but also 'the Light, the Truth, and THE WAY.' Anyone that wishes to listen and hear waht the spirit of Truth is speaking let them rejoice for they have understand that which prideful men and women have not yet with all the books of the world been able to comprehend. Why? Because they do not seek out Truth (Christ) but rather depend upon themselves and those prior to them to explain the 'mysteries' of suffering. Why is it taking so long? Let me remind you also for it is written: 'The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. ' (2 Peter 3:9) And for us to practice LOVE, Joy, Peace, Long suffering, Goodness, Faith, Mildness, Self control so we may push off our sinful inherited traits from Adam but rather become One with Life (Christ).

May Jah and Jah-Eshua's blessings be upon all. ~FS

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What Excuses Did You Have For Missing Meetings?

by minimus in

jw
friends

sick, tired, hungry,......?

FiveShadows

i once called up my elder ont he day of the meeting, i believe, that i had a number 2 talk on...and told him that i couldn't go because i got stung by a bee and my leg was swollen really bad and i was in pain. Although this all was true ...i know i could've still gone to the meeting and done my talk...

~FS

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Looking for a book for my family

by Elsewhere in

jw
friends

i have been looking for a book to send to my biological family.

so far most have been about someone who was abused and therefore drawn to the organization and later disillusioned.

i am was a third generation jw, which means that even my parents were born into it and is all they really know.

FiveShadows

give them MY book! *Ahem*

"See Jane walk,

See Dick walk,

See Jane Run,

See Dick run,

See Jane cross the street

See Dick get hit by a car.

Moral of the story: Don't be a dick

The End

p.s. eat hacky snacks" ~FS

9

Final Fantasy anyone?

by Bendrr in

jw
friends

i bought my nephews a playstation 2 for xmas.

i bought it a little early so i could play with it myself first and i got final fantasy x. pretty cool game.

the final fantasy games are like dungeons and dragons meet anime.. anyone else played it or the other ff games?.

FiveShadows

I love Final fantasy series! i love playing them and everything. I beat the first one which had a good story line and currently working on 3 however i can't for the life of me PASS it! I defeated that crackhead that's on top of the tower or building where you can use only magic and i'm like totally stuck as to what i'm suppose to do. I have no clue what i'm suppose to wager in the colliseum (spell check?) but anyway if ya'll (yes i have a slight texan accept due to my 2 years of living here) can help me out here...i'd appreciate it! ~FS

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astral projection

by vanilla sky in

jw
friends

i was wondering if anyone has dabbled in astral projection.

i have been doing it recently and it has been really amazing.

there is so much that we dont know about as humans.

FiveShadows

It really depends on what your motive in your heart is in wanting to astrally project yourself. If your heart's motive is pure and without fear then your 'adventure' will be fascinating ...but Should any fear enter into your heart during this astral projection...It is very dangerious. That is why it's recommended that you first examine yourself in Truth and Love. Astral projection can be very fun and yet very dangerious depending on what is in your heart. All can do it, but only few can master it. I advise you to be very careful. I am not for it...nor against it. ~FS

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How Did You Handle Spiritual Snobs?

by minimus in

jw
friends

my wife was speaking negatively about a sister, an elder's wife, because since i resigned as an elder, she does not give her the time of day.

she said to me that sister-------- is a "spiritual snob.

" i never heard this expression before.

FiveShadows

Quoted Manson: "...I wasn't BORN with enough middle fingers!" ....tehe j/k ~FS