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  If you were a believing elder when the lawsuits were explained to you.....

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  if you were a believing elder when the lawsuits were explained to you, would you remain .

  as an elder?.

  what i am asking is this- if you understood that elders were named in the lawsuits, and .

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  lrkr

  It all depends on the level of indoctrination. A few years ago, I would have followed the borgs policies to the letter. But now, even a year ago, I would have seriously questioned any direction not to inform the authorities. BTW current direction is to immediately call Legal before even talking to victim.
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  Crises of Conscience

  by ex-nj-jw in

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  i just finished the book by ray franz, coc, and for some reason i'm madder than ever at this organization!!!

  i've been out for over 20 years and now i'm even more pissed off!!!!

  why am i so angry at things i already knew although i'm sure i've just repressed them over the years and got on with my life, anyone else have this anger problem after reading this book, or is it just me??.

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  I was mad at first. and then glad that he wrote the book. If he hadn't gone through that, how many people would have never woken up. His books and experiences are the source of strength and freedom for many.
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  Living forever v. taking responsible actions

  by lrkr in

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  i sure you have noticed that many jw families and individuals will use the coming "new world" to avoid responsible action.

  examples:.

  you should have health insurance.

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  When was the last time you saw a JW give a homeless person a coin or offer to buy him lunch? Volunteer for a charity or donate to the united way? Never. It doesnt come up period.
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  Does anyone in the U.S. REALLY believe in Catholicism????

  by Mad in

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  if so- why?

  just interested!.

  the mad jw.

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  lrkr

  Never been catholic, but from what I've read and seen, seems like an archaic, 2000 year old set of Roman rites.
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  Living forever v. taking responsible actions

  by lrkr in

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  i sure you have noticed that many jw families and individuals will use the coming "new world" to avoid responsible action.

  examples:.

  you should have health insurance.

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  lrkr

  I sure you have noticed that many JW families and individuals will use the coming "new world" to avoid responsible action. Examples:

  You should have health insurance. Why- armageddon is coming, Jeh will care for us, etc.

  You should plan for retirement. Same answers

  You should act responsibly in your life towards global warming- Why? Jeh will fix everything in the new world.

  Have you noticed this trend in yourself? Have you noticed it in others? How do you fight it?

  Most are not so irresponsible as to intentionally not have health insurance but I notice this thought trend in myself (some greater power or future event will take care of this problem without my acting responsibly)
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  Attended Memorial Service, disgusted...

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  out of loyalty to a friend that died i went to his memorial service today.

  get this, in 30 minutes of service his name was said 3 times.

  three times.

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  lrkr

  I have seen a few euologizing funeral talks in KH's. And I have encouraged families to add different things to the talk to have more of a remembrance tone. But this is all a measure of the reasonableness and indoctrination level of the people involved. Some straight-laced borgites would never stray from the outline (I agree its a very boring, emotionless outline), others give a talk that is memorable for years and really captures the spirit of the person.
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  Circuit Overseer's Callous Remark

  by snowbird in

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  i was just thinking about a co's closing remarks one sunday after the watchtower study.

  he stated that he had heard that ray franz was dead.

  he didn't call him by name, of course.

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  lrkr

  One of the first things that got me to thinking clearly was when I considered Muslim extremists. I thought- wow they are willing to kill, die, etc because they believe that their take on a 2000 year old set of books is the right one. What a closed minded, archaic way of thinking.....

  Hey wait a minute......

  Why should any one person wish another harm because of difference in opinions about a 2000 year old set of books? It shows that some of the really indoctrinated people in the org have begun to loose their humanity.

  Even lawyers who abuse each other in court have more class than that. They usually will not wish the opposing party harm.
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  Would you really want to live forever

  by darth frosty in

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  i just finished reading this book called the alchemist.

  it is a very compelling story about following your dreams.

  what i found most intriguing about the book is the depth of spirituality it brought out in me.

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  Living forever would be great. The problem is when people don't live now. Someone once told me- whereever you are- be there.

  Why not travel, get educated, enjoy watching your children play baseball, enjoy meeting and spending time with people. So many JW's fail to do these things because of the dream of the future (and the rules for getting there)

  When my kid would say "I can't wait for the new world" my wife and I (in a moment of shock and frustration) would say - "Your life right now is pretty great."
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  Didya ever notice that the cited scriptures often didn't make the point?

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  even when i was a faithful dub, it used to bother me that the watchtower would make some point, then cite a scripture that didn't prove that point at all.

  i saw time and again where they would say something like, "just as jehovah created the universe, so the faithful and discreet slave is leading his human creation today.

  (gen 1:1)" and if you bothered to check the reference, you realized the point that actually needed substantiated was not covered by the verse.

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  We used to notice this "head fake" approach at Bethel. Often, the GB would start with one scripture, then with a few odd connectives begin talking about something in the entirely opposite direction. I notice this in WT cover articles and study articles often. Title and theme scripture is something like "Serve God out of Love for him" and most of the article is about serving God out of fear, hope for reward or some other motivation than love.
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  Wife willing to leave the DC early on Sunday.

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  you all know i post every jw thing that happens to me.

  so here it is.. we had booked an airline to go to the 3-day convention this summer.. dc's for many foreign languages are held in jersey city, nj.

  the return.

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  lrkr

  They usually have live jazz at the AMNH on Fridays and live music at the Met on Friday and Saturday evenings.