Posts by lrkr

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why did russel get a divorce , was it adultery ?

by looloo in

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lrkr

Many will tell you that the move from Pennsylvania to New York was divinly inspired- a move that was ordained so that the Society could grow in a location where it could ship overseas and thrive in the center of modern culture. Some Bethelites have a great little speech they give about how that area in Brooklyn was like holy land. (well...before they started selling it off)

What a crock!!! It was just a slick divorce attorney's maneuver.

I always wondered why there were 2 corporations. (...well before there were 20 like now.....)

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why did russel get a divorce , was it adultery ?

by looloo in

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Thanks for that article Leolaia.

I just finished The Four Presidents of the Watch Tower Society by Gruss. On page 17 he says:

The author finds it more than coincidental that in the same year the divorce was finalized, Russell decided to move "Jehovah's work" to New York and to form a new corporation, later called the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., into which, no doubt, went all the joint assets of Charles and Maria Russell. His moving to New York State was an effort to avoid paying his wife the court-ordered paymetns of $100/month. "When the Pensylvania courts ordered Russell to pay alimony to his wife, he filed a plea that he had nothing with which to pay, as he had transferred all his property, evaluated at $317,000 to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society."

Sounds like someone pretty adept at "theocratic strategy". Not the kind, gentle icon that many have been taught to believe he was.

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why did russel get a divorce , was it adultery ?

by looloo in

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Related question- It appears from some things that I have read that the WT B&T Society of New York was formed so that Russell could move assets out of the WTB&TS of Pennsylvania. From what I understand the Pennslyvania corp was partially owned by Maria- so the creation of the New York corporation was really just an attempt to hide/shield marital assets from the divorce.

Has anyone here read something similar???

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Where do you hide your apostate literature?

by Hiddenwindow in

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since some of us are still active and have to hide our so-called apostate literature, i am curious about where some of you keep it.

i have to leave it at my workplace.

i manage, however, to have one book at home.

lrkr

Under my humidor

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JW Necklaces

by fjtoth in

london, england.

jehovah's necklaces17/02/2008nurses are calling for jehovah's witnesses to wear special bracelets and necklaces so they won't be given "sinful" blood transfusions by mistake.. most of britain's 125,000 witnesses carry pocketsized cards declaring their religious beliefs.

but nurses say that in an emergency there may be no time to check a patient's pockets.. the royal college of nursing have urged the watchtower society, which represents the witnesses, to ask members to wear the bracelets or necklaces.. .

lrkr

I don't think there's enough room on most peoples forehead to tatoo all of the exceptions, clarifications, etc.

No doubt the engraved necklace thing is quietly approved by Bethel because some brother has a business selling these things.

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HERE'S THE 2007 SERVICE YEAR REPORT

by Mary in

i'm not sure if this has been posted yet, so i took the liberty of scanning a copy.

here is the figures for the 2007 service year report.

interesting that over 9,000 partook at the memorial last year when the numbers should be going down.

lrkr

Look at Britain's report (sorry Wales, and Scotland- in WT land its Britain, not UK)

122,412 last years average

3383 baptized

(If you add the above two- you get 125,795)

This years average- 125,808- 13 people MORE than the addition of baptized to last years average. No one left, no one got DFd, no one went inactive, and 13 more people started going out in service or were reactivated??!!!

Like I said before- somehow, at HQ they jiggered the numbers.

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HERE'S THE 2007 SERVICE YEAR REPORT

by Mary in

i'm not sure if this has been posted yet, so i took the liberty of scanning a copy.

here is the figures for the 2007 service year report.

interesting that over 9,000 partook at the memorial last year when the numbers should be going down.

lrkr

Somethings suspicious. I think they changed the calculation for "average publishers" somehow. France had a 2% growth??!!!?? No way. No way to tell until next year. If the growth is back to .5-1% and 0% for industrialized nations we'll know they jiggered the numbers for this year.

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Are JWs allowed to go to wedding of disfellowshiped child?

by freetosee in

since i've been out for so long i would like to ask if there has been any change regarding the association with disfellowshiped.

can active jws go to the wedding of their df'd sons or daughters?

any policy change?.

lrkr

The last I heard (about 9 months old from a CO visit elders meeting) the R&F get a good "counseling" for doing such a thing. An elder, MS, or pioneer gets their "priviledges" reviewed. (Code for "we remove them")

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What prompted the whopper of all Flip Flops? (Sodom & G. resurrection)

by Open mind in

in pre-studying my watchtower for this sunday, (with mary's assistance on v's thread of course), i was reminded of something i've wondered about re: the whole "will the residents of sodom & gomorrah be resurrected?

" question.. to my knowledge, this one holds the watchtower record for most number of flip-flops.

please correct me if i'm wrong.

lrkr

Probably depends on whether they were in favor of sodomy or not.

(Sorry- just another smart ass answer- I don't know.)

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Issue Number 2.... Incorrect Predictions.

by hotchocolate in

okay, just to re-introduce myself, i was raised in the truth, regular pioneered for years, and am a member in good standing with my congregation.

i have just recently been shocked to realise that i actually have some doubts about the truth.

it helps for me to focus on one point at a time, and to write down my thoughts in a logical sequence.

lrkr

"We're not prophets".... right.

They say, and expect us to do. Any organization that expects its members to make life decisions based on the impending end of the world has a certain level of responsibility to double check their predictions.

It doesn't matter what they want to be called: mother, prophet, organization, channel, faithful and discreet slave, ark, etc. Those are just names. What matters is what they claim to know and what action they expect based on that knowledge.

The fact that they encourage (with a capital E) people to not get married, not have children, not go to college, not get a good job, not take promotions, not save, not relax during retirement, not play sports in school ....not, not, not.... because of certain knowledge about the future makes them responsible for affecting/ruining many millions of lives. OK- so we won't call them prophets.....whatever.....