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  Lurkers! How do you put up with it?

  by PopeOfEruke in

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  2. bible

  i just cannot understand how any one in their right mind can read the experiences here concerning the wachtower society's false claims, lies, trickery and deceit, and the example shown by the so-called "elders" in treating the flock with disdain and cruelty, and still stay a jehovah's witness.. lurkers, how can you do that?

  do you simply dismiss all the evidence?

  have any of you experienced such evil acts personally and still stay connected to the jw's?.

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  lrkr

  Since I picked the screen name lrkr, I guess I'm obligated to respond (will have to change this name one of these days)

  In a word, people. The people in the org are good friends of mine, family are all good people (and very JW). The thought of losing these relationships pushes me to put up a fascade. But that gets more and more difficult. Going in service and asking people to study and become a JW was the first difficulty. I just didn't want to subject them to it. That feeling of "I just cant anymore" progressed to parts, commenting, conducting the BS (esp in the Revelation/Imagination book), and finally to just sitting through meetings.

  I suppose lurking is the first step in a journey. Growth is good. Lurking is the first step.
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  Well, here comes a judicial committee

  by drew sagan in

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  see post below.

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  lrkr

  If you really want to avoid DFing cancel the membership before the meeting with the 2. Say that their concern moved you to your senses and be done with the issue. Anything else carries a high risk of DFment. (You can rejoin later, just tell everyone to keep their trap shut.)
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  Fader's update on the wife.

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so my wife is still very close to me.

  she acts like she hopes i come back to the meetings but.

  she doesn't really expect it.

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  lrkr

  If possible, help your wife to establish social ties outside the org. I know that our social ties outside have not only helped, but quickened our fade. As you know, one of the strongest control points that the organization has is social interaction.
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  Fader's update on the wife.

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so my wife is still very close to me.

  she acts like she hopes i come back to the meetings but.

  she doesn't really expect it.

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  lrkr

  If possible, help your wife to establish social ties outside the org. I know that our social ties outside have not only helped, but quickened our fade. As you know, one of the strongest control points that the organization has is social interaction.
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  Disfellowshipping smokers is an outrage!

  by yaddayadda in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how does the society scripturally justify taking the ultra-harsh measure of disfellowshipping and shunning persons who merely enjoy smoking a few cigarettes a day?

  in what way is mild smoking a gross sin that is deserving of such a harsh punishment?

  how on earth does the society make the connection between the scriptural exhortation to 'cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit' (2 cor 7:1 & 2) to taking the extremely harsh measure of denying a smoker the right to any contact with their fellow congregation members, friends, and jw family?

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  lrkr

  How about DFing people for consuming too much saturated fats, eating at Mc Ds too much, not exercising, having a stressful lifestyle. All of these have proven health effects- same as smoking.

  But really, what do you all expect, you can be DF'd for what you think (like thinking that the WTS is not the one channel of God) so being DFd for smoking is not the most shocking thing that happens
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  Why are the WT selling prime estate in Brooklyn - do they know something

  by needproof in

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  2. friends

  so i hear that the wt are selling lots of property; worth millions.

  1) they sincerely think the end is soon .

  2) they just want the money .

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  lrkr

  Very simple- operating costs in NYC are 2-4 times more than in the suburban country areas of Wallkill and Patterson. (Just try getting a truck in to Brooklyn and you'll understand)
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  Kansas City DC summary

  by stillajwexelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ok just got back from the dc in kansas city.

  i know there has been a thread on the dc already but i will post "highlights" or lowlights depending on one's opinion, of the dc in kc on this thread.. 1) bethel speakers so far 1 from patterson bethel, 1 from brooklyn bethel and 1 from walkill bethel + governing body speaker anthony morris 111. friday major talk on christ on last talk by morris.

  illustarted earthquake in armenia few yaers ago.

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  lrkr

  Sensational e-mail was also mentioned but under false stories

  This is because they're twisted at the wide distribution and embarrasment of the Jim Rayford e-mail that was posted here.
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  Have JW's done away with disfellowshipping?

  by lostlantern in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a friend just said that disfellowshipping is no longer practiced due to legalities, does anyone know if this true?

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  lrkr

  I was an elder a few months ago and there was no significant change that we were made aware of. Just the semantic change of "...no longer a JW" instead of "DFd". Everything else remains intact. Just that the lawyers are reviewing all public announcements now.
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  How do you measure success compared to before?

  by JH in

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  2. friends

  as a jw, success meant pioneering, commenting at the hall and book study, and going up the jw ladder.. how about now, how do you mesure success and happiness?.

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  lrkr

  we are successful in rearing our children the normal, happy way, without the interference of the WTBTS. Making sure our children have every opportunity to succeed in this world, furthering their education, and for them to have fun playing sports, and making good friends. We let them be kids...

  Definately with you on this one- one of the main reasons I've started to fade
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  The Great Tribulation is picking up speed!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by unbaptized in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the tribulation is really starting to speed up it's pace.

  i just read that atleast 3 types of animal and plant life go extinct every hour.

  global warming threatens the entire planet, crimes against women and children are at a all time high, honeybees dying off for unexplained reasons, the threat of nuclear war, the ravage of infectious disease.

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  lrkr

  All that burning fossil fuel by driving around looking for people who are not at home (because they're out enjoying their families, a baseball game, a walk, a cup of coffee, their community, etc) is contributing to global warming!!!

  BTW Terry- you said it all.