Posts by flipper

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"We don't do that" - Serena Williams talking about celebrating birthdays

by vivalavida in

i guess you can be physically out, like in a huge way, but definitely mentally in.. serena williams claims she won't be celebrating her daughter's first birthday.. i did know people like that, raised as a jw but never actually baptizing.

that didn't mean they were not messed up in the head though..

flipper

Yep. Mental gymnastics here of a wealthy " sometimes " JW. She'll have sex out of wedlock to bring a child into the world( which would get her DFed as a baptized JW ) , yet in her twisted view it's wrong to honor her own child's life by celebrating her child's birthday. Is it any wonder that most people associated with WT or JW beliefs are so fucked up ?

What's worse is WT Society won't blink an eye at what Serena Williams does or doesn't do - as long as she keeps most probably donating some of her millions $$$ to the WT Society and " worldwide kingdom work " , uh, I mean " pedophile defense fund " .

Not only many times do criminal religions get free passes in their conduct, but so do wealthy brats, whether they are sports stars, actors, or presidents. lol. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Lets Play a Bible Game

by Not_Culty in

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flipper

" Let's play a Bible Game " . Let's not. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Article: Philadelphia Inquirer - Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses to protest sex abuse scandals at Pa. convention

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www2.philly.com/philly/news/jehovahs-witnesses-child-sex-abuse-protest-reading-chessa-manion-20180824.html.

ex-jehovah’s witnesses to protest sex abuse scandals at pa. convention.

by david gambacorta, posted: 2 hours ago .

flipper

DOUBTER- Ask yourself why your reasoning is all black & white. Either " this " - or " that "

Reason on this : WT leaders can order their own appointed elders in these document destroying seminars to get rid of any incriminating evidence that elders have in their local congregations so as to protect WT leaders from litigation and lawsuits worldwide.

But that doesn't mean WT leaders will follow their own advice with any information that THEY personally have on child molesters within their own legal department information. WT leaders trust themselves to keep and sit on that database file under lock and key - however - they do NOT trust the worldwide " brotherhood " of elders Mr. Tom, Dick, or Harry elder in who knows what god forsaken country exposing them to lawsuits.

Thus the need for further damage control over elders who might squeal to news media, police authorities, etc. - just make a policy enforcing all elders to destroy any incriminating evidence in congregation files.

I don't get how you don't understand WT leaders would require elders to do that- but they would not expect the same of themselves. The elders are under the Governing Body- what the GB says, the elders do. Even if the GB don't do it. Example : Many GB members don't go out in field service, but expect publishers & elders to knock on doors. Get my drift ? Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Article: Philadelphia Inquirer - Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses to protest sex abuse scandals at Pa. convention

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www2.philly.com/philly/news/jehovahs-witnesses-child-sex-abuse-protest-reading-chessa-manion-20180824.html.

ex-jehovah’s witnesses to protest sex abuse scandals at pa. convention.

by david gambacorta, posted: 2 hours ago .

flipper

I totally understand my friend. I was once where you are. It was easier for me to express my pissed off attitude towards the WT Societies child abuse policies- because I didn't learn about WT child abuse violations until several years after I had stopped attending in 2003. Didn't find out about it until 2007. So I understand the dilemma you are in . I empathize. Take care bud, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Article: Philadelphia Inquirer - Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses to protest sex abuse scandals at Pa. convention

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www2.philly.com/philly/news/jehovahs-witnesses-child-sex-abuse-protest-reading-chessa-manion-20180824.html.

ex-jehovah’s witnesses to protest sex abuse scandals at pa. convention.

by david gambacorta, posted: 2 hours ago .

flipper

I agree with Vidiot. The most damning, dangerous video in the article is played by clicking the link about destroying all records of WT information that could get WT Society in trouble legally. There's a three and a half minute video everybody here should really watch showing the England WT Society record management overseer Shawn Bartlett giving an actual instruction class to elders on how and why they should destroy any damning handwritten notes, evidence, communication , etc. in elders possession because it could cost the WT Society as he put it in one instance hundreds of thousands of $$$$ !

So any of you exiting JW's - here me clear on this - your donations were all going to enable the WT Society to be a criminal organization . WT leaders are giving these NEW instructions in training schools apparently to save themselves millions $$$ in child abuse lawsuits and are destroying valuable evidence that will incriminate them in criminal conduct enabling pedophiles within the JW organization.

Can anybody say 1984 by George Orwell ? In that book the organization did the same thing by destroying incorrect assertions and destroying false doctrines by incinerating them in a furnace and tried to claim to it's followers that none of that evidence ever existed !

WT Society is doing the same here. By destroying written documentation on child abuse cases they had, WT is attempting to purge themselves of any evidence that they knew about these child abuse cases in the first place so they won't be held liable in courts. It's absolutely disgusting. This is a criminal organization through and through- anybody who can't see that has their blinders on. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Is Child Abuse An Issue That You Personally Have Seen In The Organization?

by minimus in

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friends

as an elder, i saw one child abuse situation involving a man who wanted to be an elder and had i believe 8 children.

he was not in our congregation when this all erupted.

he denied it and moved to another hall and unbelievably, that body of elders wanted to appoint him since they believed his entire family was lying about him.

flipper

MINIMUS- Yeah, I don't know what happened to the guy or " brother " as we used to call them- who sounded the alarm . I wasn't an elder, so there was no way for me to know if he had been talked to by the elders for sounding the alarm about the child molester. But whether he was talked to - or not , it's a moot point. He was still a hero in my eyes for sounding the alarm publicly to all the parents in the congregation about this child molester. I hope the elders just left him alone- but you know how elders are always concerned about outward appearances, how things look- instead of real justice and truth being accomplished. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Aretha Franklin has Died - Long live the Queen of soul in Memory

by flipper in

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friends

aretha franklin has died after a long bout with pancreatic cancer.

at age 76 .

she's my wife's all time favorite female vocalist.

flipper

May you rest in peace Aretha . Long may your music and voice be remembered .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6YCxXQ6Scw.

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Is Child Abuse An Issue That You Personally Have Seen In The Organization?

by minimus in

jw
friends

as an elder, i saw one child abuse situation involving a man who wanted to be an elder and had i believe 8 children.

he was not in our congregation when this all erupted.

he denied it and moved to another hall and unbelievably, that body of elders wanted to appoint him since they believed his entire family was lying about him.

flipper

Years ago I attended a new congregation where there was a child molester who had been getting away with it for over 30 years while molesting at least 7 victims.

One day after the WT study concluded , a middle aged " brother " ( not an elder or MS ) ran up to the stage and grabbed the microphone from the WT elder conductor and screamed into the microphone to the audience of over 150 that " brother so and so sitting over there is a child molester and has molested 7 children through the years. If you love your children you'll protect them from him ! " He was pointing at the molester in the audience.

The WT elder conductor grabbed the microphone from the " brother " and told the audience " brothers & sisters we are handling this situation as elders right now so it's being taken care of . " So long story short- the molester DID get dfed and he did go to jail for his crimes. However his JW wife stayed married to him and would visit him in prison. Weird.

But the " brother " who had the courage to inform the congregation became my new hero ! It took a lot of courage to do what he did ! And it wasn't until some years later that I understood how the elders try to hide this child abuse from the congregation - and I came to understand WHY this " brother " felt the need to expose this child molester to the rest of the congregation. The elders sure weren't going to inform JW parents about the molester ! So this guy took it upon himself to do so. Impressed the hell out of me even when I was still a JW . Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Were you or someone you know sexually molested by a Jehovah's Witness ?

by flipper in

due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?

remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.

what about the thousands that don't get caught?

flipper

Been really busy with out of town guests dropping by this last week and a half, finally can catch up ! Wanted to bump this up in connection with Minimus's thread so newer exiting JW's can read how huge a problem child abuse is within the JW organization.

TOTALLY ADD- Interesting points you make my friend. I agree with you. WT abuse comes in all forms.I'm sorry to hear you suffered abuse as well in your childhood.

VIRGOCHIK- Isn't it disgusting how the elders minimize the criminality of JW elders or ministerial servants having sex with minor children ? And I've seen it too in the JW organization where a JW woman will stay with her husband after he's molested a minor child or molested a number of minor children. What possesses a wife to do this ? Crazy shit. WT Society has a lot to answer for, and that is an understatement. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Do You Think President Trump Will Be Impeached?

by minimus in

jw
friends

whether you like him or not.... it doesn’t matter.

do you think he will be impeached?

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flipper

In answer to your opening thread, YES, I think there's a good chance he'll be impeached. By the time the Mueller investigation wraps up, the mid term elections will have occured - and the house of representatives & senate will have flipped to a majority of democrats.

Therefore should be plenty of votes to impeach him. If he's not impeached , it may end up like president Nixon in 1974 and so much incriminating evidence against him and his dishonest administration will have been released and exposed - that he'll be forced or feel pressure enough to resign while still president.

Although resigning doesn't seem to fit Trump's personality. He's a malignant narcissist so he cannot get enough of himself in person or in the media. He wants to be the fixture of everybody's attention. So he will probably try to fight the allegations and show even more so how foolish and malignant a narcissist he is. He cannot or will not EVER admit to a mistake - and he blames EVERYONE else for whatever happens to him.

Which is one big reason McCabe is now meeting with the Mueller investigative team. McCabe doesn't want to be blamed and be the fall guy for Trump's mess, much in the same way John Dean didn't want to be blamed and be the fall guy for Nixon's mess.

By the time this is all said and done in 2019, I'm thinking we'll have a new president with Pence ( unfortunately a staunch religious nut ) to finish up Trump's administration to the election in 2020. Which the democrats will most probably win. Kind of how I see all this going. Peace out, Mr. Flipper