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What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !
by flipper inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.
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What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !
by flipper inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.
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What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !
by flipper inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.
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change.org: Please sign a petition to California State Legislators - Please Introduce Draft Bill to Reform Clergy Privilege
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.change.org/p/california-state-legislators-please-introduce-draft-bill-to-reform-clergy-privilege?recruiter=855249424&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive.
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california state senators and assembly members please introduce draft bill (rn 1803892) to reform california's clergy "penitent communication" privilege statutes to align with appellate court decisions by february 16, 2018.. since 2018 is an election year, this bill will help voters become more informed about politicians' positions on changing societal and institutional cultures by reforming california statutes to prevent child abuse or child sexual abuse, or civil statute of limitation reform in california in 2019.. this bill is intended to increase public safety, prevent abuse survivors from being re-traumatized in religious disciplinary meetings, prevent religious leaders from using "undue influence" to manipulate individuals and discourage reporting of abuse and neglect, and reduce court costs passing judgment on overly broad interpretations of clergy "penitential communication" privilege that attempt to shield a religion or clergy from not fulfilling their duty to report abuse and neglect in california.. thank you,.
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flipper
I just signed the petition and made a comment after signing. Come on folks ! Let's sign this petition and protect the children everywhere from abuse ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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...and so it begins
by Phoebe ini've had an email from a sister who tells me that out in field service this morning a long standing route call has told them she won't be taking any more magazines and doesn't want them calling on her again because she has heard about the jws child abuse scandals and cover ups.
she was quite angry with them and said your elders say there is nothing wrong but there is and it will all come out.. this is the first time anyone i know of has been challenged on the doorstep and they were absolutely shocked and also angry.
angry that the organization is not preparing them for dealing with this and for not being honest with the brothers about what is going on ie: lawsuits etc.. just thought i'd share that with you..
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flipper
Very good points Finkelstein - I totally agree
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...and so it begins
by Phoebe ini've had an email from a sister who tells me that out in field service this morning a long standing route call has told them she won't be taking any more magazines and doesn't want them calling on her again because she has heard about the jws child abuse scandals and cover ups.
she was quite angry with them and said your elders say there is nothing wrong but there is and it will all come out.. this is the first time anyone i know of has been challenged on the doorstep and they were absolutely shocked and also angry.
angry that the organization is not preparing them for dealing with this and for not being honest with the brothers about what is going on ie: lawsuits etc.. just thought i'd share that with you..
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flipper
PHOEBE- Excellent experience, thanks for sharing. I don't know how long you have been out of the JW organization , but the caution Desirous of Change mentioned is in order only if you care what JW's think of you . If you are totally out and not trying to keep any JW relationships- - then yeah - by all means keep assisting this JW lady and help her to see the corruption and crimes happening within the WT organization. Great job ! Keep it up ! I feel as time goes by more and more JW's are going to start waking up after people of the real world start throwing the WT child abuse in their face.
The Internet is chalk full of quotes, you tubes, and information indicting WT leaders about their negligence regarding child abuse. The more JW's are informed about this- all the better ! Great job Phoebe ! Keep it up ! And a big thanks to Pete Zahut for finding that Stephen Lett you tube with his weird statement regarding child abuse
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Welcome to all the newbies and lurkers that have joined this forum lately.
by smiddy3 ini`m sure you have all noticed the ever increasing number of newbies and lurkers who have visited this site over the past months and i am sure we could all collectively welcome them to this site and support them on learning the ttatt .
and helping them to navigate how they can look up older publications and quotes of the wtb&ts that they would rather remain hidden.. we all know jehovah`s witnesses /governing body never apologizes for mistakes they make they just don`t mention them anymore and explain it away as new light from god.. actually a big cop out.. welcome to all you who are new to this site .. every day their seems to be someone new posting which is great .. and if this is any indication of what is happening in all other ex jw sites the wtb&ts are in deep trouble .
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flipper
I second Smiddy's comments. A warm welcome to newer members here . Welcome to freedom of mind and expression
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Raising children - thoughts
by CovertsadJW injust some thoughts for today - let me know what you think.
i grew up in the jw faith / cult - .
i can’t prove i am a better person because of it , but in some ways i can prove how it has damaged me.
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flipper
I've always gotten the old excuses from my JW relatives when they try saying, " Well, even if the promises of the paradise and living forever weren't true- it's still the best way to live ! "
And I'm like - " no it's not ! " The WT Society steals these people's money, gives them false hopes, prevents them from getting a college education, allows them to die if they need a life saving blood transfusion, doesn't protect their children from roving pedophiles in many congregations who could molest their children, and forces them to spend 90 % of their waking existence marketing the WT Society BS corporate message to the public ! Where in the world is there any time left for personal growth for children ? There is no time allowed for it. These young children become JW robots programmed to walk and /or jump off a cliff for WT Society leaders. It's disgusting
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Eulogies
by redundantcartworker ini recently attended a non jw funeral at a local church.
during the service, a couple of friends/relatives of the deceased eloquently spoke for a few minutes about the deceased with some of their fond memories and gave heartfelt, respectful tributes.. would i ( a non jw) be given a few minutes to speak at either of my jw parents funerals at the kingdom hall ?.
i guess i already know the answer, but if the answer is "no", then why not and how would they hide the heartlessness of refusing ?
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flipper
Thanks Shirley. It's hard to know if these elders got the message- but you could have heard a pin drop in the audience. I felt a strange sense of empowerment being able to say something in this eulogy in a neutral building- that I couldn't have said inside a kingdom hall . lol
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New here...
by Jacobi inmy name is jacobi, i am a born-in but mentally out for more or less a decade at this point (although it was cradual) and about 40yo.
i don't want to say a lot about my family, but it is a mix of going-through-the-motions, semi-actives (but mentally in), some who have left for a few reasons and one really depressed pioneer.
because people fade in and out i have managed to slide under the radar and i keep up apperances of not being all-out apostate but i completed my fade about years ago (it also helped i moved to another part of the country).. i might rub some of you the wrong way because of my views on different things like politics.. i am not a trump supporter at all and neither are most people in my country.
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flipper
Hello Jacobi ! Welcome to the board ! . As Desirous said we aren't near as judgmental as JW's here. I was born into the JW's and escaped at age 44 back years ago. I also lean to the left politically so you are not alone- there are some of us here on this board. Take care friend, Peace out, Mr. Flipper