OTWO- Good points you bring out my friend. Just being there for these JW's in a supportive, emotional kind of way as Sparrowdown did is an excellent way of giving support for sure to JW's. No need to get into a verbal pissing match with them about doctrines- it's support these folks need. I try to do that with my still-in JW family just a phone call to let them know I care. Perhaps it will sink in someday
flipper
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Make Your Excellent Point to a JW, But- Remember, it's a Mind Control Cult.
by OnTheWayOut inso i am reading from many that they have an excellent thought-stopper for jw's.
(remember reasoning from the scriptures used "thought-stoppers?
)"if you just show them [this scripture or use this logic or expose this problem with the organization], you will shut them down.".
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Saying hello for first time
by pimojw ini have been sneakily looking at this forum, almost every day, ever since it began!
it has taken me till now to actually register and contribute.
(actually i did register with a different name in the beginning but never commented).. i am a pimo elder with a fairly long history of senior "positions" in the organization.
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flipper
Physically In, Mentally Out - A huge welcome to you my friend. I was a born in JW myself - exited about 14 years ago - just stopped attending due to injustices happening within the organization and elders unjust treatment of others - as well towards myself. I came from a JW family whereby they were grooming me to be the next young elder appointed. Had an older brother who is a long time elder and father who was an elder since early 1950's who set the bar too high for me to jump over. I decided against " progressing " , " advancing " - whatever the powers to be want to call it - when I saw hypocrisy while serving as a ministerial servant for years in my 20's. But didn't stop attending for good until age 44 like your situation due to family concerns or reaction.
I think we each reach our breaking point in our own time indeed, and it seems you've reached yours as well. I respect that you want to be extremely cautious about how you accomplish this especially having your wife and extended family still in the organization. If I didn't know any better a secret part of me hopes that you're my older JW elder brother. ( Just joking, but halfway serious. ) Anyway I won't go down that road.
Welcome to freedom of mind and expression here on this board. I've been here over 10 years now and everybody has their story in how this organization the WT Society has either assisted in the breakup of their family due to the shunning process or caused them untold grief in many ways, some have lost in death relatives, i.e. parents, children, or spouses due to the no-blood transfusion policies, some rank & file JW's have been disfellowshipped due to standing up for children being molested within congregations by reporting it to police, other victims of child abuse have committed suicide due to not receiving " justice " in what they once thought was " Jehovah's loving organization " . The extent of injustices that are reeking of the smell of criminality within this organization are very comparable to what Leah Remini and Mike Rinder are exposing in the weekly show on A&E television regarding abuses in Scientology. If you get a chance I highly recommend that you watch that show and the comparisons will stagger you with what we've seen in the Jehovah's Witness organization.
Since many of us have exited the JW organization we have become " activists " of sorts. Some of us in a quiet sort of way chatting up JW's at the cart stands in a non-combative way in order to get them thinking about realities that the mind control indoctrination of WT won't let them ponder on due to " information control " tactics employed on them from WT leaders. Some of us leave news releases from the media in a clandestine way at grocery store information boards concerning WT child abuse offenses happening as most JW's sitting in a kingdom hall are not aware of the thousands of child abuse lawsuits being brought worldwide against the WT Society currently. So some of us are involved in exposing that. But mostly the best revenge is living a calm, peaceful life full of happiness after exiting the Witnesses. Which is what I've tried to do- successfully I might add ! Love playing guitar and writing songs now !
By being undercover as you are as an elder you have a fantastic opportunity within the position you are in to assist the stopping of unjust treatment of people within your own scope and geographical area in your congregation and neighboring congregations. Of course while remaining on the down low so you don't blow your cover. It's totally up to you how to process all of this and how to proceed in your future of course. I understand the need for privacy, confidentiality, and extreme caution. So I want to welcome you deeply to your freedom of mind and I offer my friendship and support to you as you seek clarity and reality within your inner life and outer life. I wish you all the best and keep researching and feeding your open mind . Critical thinking ability is not as bad as the WT Society has made it out to be. It can actually save our life ! LOL . Take care friend, sincerely, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Do any of the current Governing Body have academic qualifications?
by usualusername1 indo any of the current governing body have academic qualifications?.
thanks.
paul.
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" Do any of the current Governing Body have academic qualifications ? "
You mean other than picking their nose or scratching their butts ? No, not really
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Petition! 100,000 signatures...
by darkspilver in....are needed by tuesday 19 september 2017 !your voice in the white house.
we the people ask the federal government to tell us what the federal government is doing about an issue: investigate watchtower bible and tract society for known child sexual abuse within its organization and not reported.. created by h.c. on august 20, 2017. save the children!
pass a law to protect children.
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flipper
Just signed it. Thanks for the heads up ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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"Please pray for me."
by compound complex ingreetings, friends:.
today, i saw an old friend in town, and, after we got caught up and finally said our goodbyes, she asked me to pray for her.
family problems were eating her up.. how have you responded if and when you were asked this?
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CC- I tell people that I will send out positive thoughts and hopes to them that their situation gets better- but I never offer to " pray " for them - as I'm agnostic and don't believe in " prayer " . I offer to be there for them if they'd like to talk or need a friend- but I do not believe in the " prayer " thing. I hope your friends family problems get better or their situation gets solved- family problems can eat a person up indeed. I'm glad you can be there for this person as a hearing, sympathetic friend . Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Updates on the workload of Bethelites
by usualusername1 inhave the bethelites started cooking and doing their own washing yet?
how are they coping?.
paul.
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Wow. Very interesting you tube. Good gawd almighty. I keep thinking that I've seen everything there is to see under the sun with the WT Society's unjust mistreatment of it's members - and then this poor ex-Bethelite gets no notice and kicked out of his room with WT reps packing his belongings up - then gets billed for fruit he ate. WTF ? Yep, " God's " loving organization at work indeed. The comparison between Scientology and Jehovah's Witnesses gets greater every day I swear. Both criminal organizations. Sick
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Will Watchtower target the inactive?
by ToesUp inif watchtower has no reason to df ones.
they have just become inactive.
do you all think wt will begin a witch hunt (df'ing) for these inactive ones?
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Yeah, I think Sail Away nailed the reasons for elders not coming after inactive people. The GB knows that the shunning indoctrination is so heavily put into JW's minds that rank & file JW's WILL shun inactive ones for the most part. I've been officially called " inactive " or haven't attended meetings since 2003- 14 years - and my wife and I have not had any JW call at our house since 2012. It's been over 5 years now. Of course rumor got out that I'd present WT child abuse news printouts to JW's calling at my door - so they didn't like that.
Any JW's that know me have basically tried to shun me, even active JW's in my extended family don't reach out to me- even though I still try to show caring to them. Yep, I'm an " evil " , " wicked " , " bad " apostate who shows more love to JW relatives than they are shown from their own JW church members. Go figure
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last psychology session tomorrow
by Phoebe inso tomorrow is my last appointment with my psychologist.
we are going to commemorate it by giving each other a letter.. sept 2016 i sat, a quivering wreck, in her waiting room.
i was terrified.
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Phoebe- Just wanted to send you these from me and my wife today -
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last psychology session tomorrow
by Phoebe inso tomorrow is my last appointment with my psychologist.
we are going to commemorate it by giving each other a letter.. sept 2016 i sat, a quivering wreck, in her waiting room.
i was terrified.
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flipper
PHOEBE- Thanks so much for sharing your story with us. You are truly an inspiration in what you've had to overcome. I'm so sorry that you suffered in the JW organization and that your brother abused you. Please know and realize that you are among friends here- many of us who were born-in JW's suffered in silence for years in our various circumstances until finally gaining our freedom of mind. I'm happy for you that you finally attained your freedom ! Good for you. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Freudian slip in last Sunday's WT?
by The Fall Guy ini had this point highlighted to me yesterday by a dyed-in-the-wool j.w.
who is beginning to see cracks in his beloved golden calf of warwick.
so encouraging to hear his disgruntlement with org-related topics.. “many in the christian congregation may not have expected their loved ones to die this side of armageddon.” (july 2017 study wt).
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flipper
Then again- there's another way of looking at this as a possibility. The very fact that this particular WT writer even PUT that statement , " many Witnesses thought their family members wouldn't die this side of Armageddon " into a WT article - may indicate that someone in the writing committee is on purpose trying to cause doubt to occur within JW's minds who read this. My wife and I have been discussing this possibility for a long time now- that there are probably one or two Bethelites who are awake about TTATT and might be dropping off hints here and there in a subtle- or not so subtle way so as to wake JW's up or at least get them to have doubts. Possibly working from the inside to alert unsuspecting JW's. It seems to have worked on this JW person who you mention in the opening thread. Smart way to wake JW's up in my opinion