Richard, it is obvious that you really want to influence (more so than share) opinions here.
So far, not working well. Maybe time to take a class like propaganda manufacture 101.
Mrs. Flipper
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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Let's Be Honest - You or One of Your Ancestors Was an Idiot
by Simon inwhy were we ever a jw?
were we mad?
we must have been .... well, my excuse is that i knew nothing else.
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Good point Scully - the WT Society preys on people with vulnerabilities and hardships going on in their lives. My parents in the early 1950's were parents to 3 young children close in age ( I didn't come along till almost 1960 ) and they felt they needed some kind of what they thought was " stability " in their life- I guess for the young family. But what they got was a deceptive, lying mind control cult which dominated them for the next 60 years telling them how to live !
It's like I wrote in a song I made last year " how can we blame ourselves when you know they told us lies, when people you're supposed to trust bring this big surprise " . As time has gone by I look at my parents this way- they, like other JW's REALLY didn't know what they are getting into initially because it's not until later once a person is in too deep that the deceptions and lies and strict policies dominate a person to the point where they can't breathe an ounce of freedom. WT promises " eternal life " ( lies ) , "never getting sick again " ( more lies ) , and " never growing old and dying " ( more lies ) and " Armageddon ( another lie ) - it goes on and on - yet due to the cult mind control and fear and manipulation these JW's feel they have nowhere else to go- when in reality they really DO have somewhere else to go - they are just too scared to leave the organization because it's all they have known.
It's like a female who has been in an abusive relationship with a husband who beats her. WT beats up it's members mentally but they won't leave because it's a co-dependent relationship like a woman who refuses to leave physical abuse from a bad relationship. It's a negative thing in her and JW's life- but it's all they've known - so they become familiar or comforted even in a negative situation- strange but true
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Is it just me ? 2 threads debating page after page with one individual ?
by smiddy inis it just me who doesnt see the point of this ?
from time to time we see some individual who takes up page after page arguing his or her point of view and it usually ends up with only 2 or 3 individuals who keep the talkfest going with a particular individual and nobodys getting anything out of it .. why bother ?
why get sucked in to such a pointless dialogue ?
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SMIDDY- Like yourself I generally don't get too involved in the back and forth on a lurker arguing points endlessly- that being said like Outlaw stated it can serve a purpose of showing how crazy the JW views really are.
I look at this board as a television with hundreds of " channels " or threads posted- if I don't like a thread or am not interested in one thread I click the changer to another thread until I find something I'm interested in. Instead of " channel " surfing I go " thread " surfing. It works for me anyway. That's the great thing about Simon's board here- hundreds of topics to look at or experience. A little bit of everything for different tastes and interests. So don't sweat it- just find something you are interested in and pursue that type of thread. Just a suggestion. Works for me anyway
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Protests in the streets ! Of course there are protests in the streets. People are scared shitless
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Can you live with your self?
by The Rebel ini think if we are to fully delight in life we must live without detachment.
because when we become attached to a beliief we feel a desire that we are right.
the problem with being right, even if we are right is that our beliefs then try to attach themselfs to virgin snow, and change people to our thinking.
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Hey REBEL , great thread by the way, thanks for posting. Hey Bro- don't beat yourself up too badly over our past JW existence- we all have regrets of course- we were all deceived and manipulated by WT leaders who " used " us for their self serving purposes . The blame should go to WT leaders who lied to us and everyone else. With love & hugs to you from myself and my wife, take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper ( Your brother in arms ) we are true survivors
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Can you live with your self?
by The Rebel ini think if we are to fully delight in life we must live without detachment.
because when we become attached to a beliief we feel a desire that we are right.
the problem with being right, even if we are right is that our beliefs then try to attach themselfs to virgin snow, and change people to our thinking.
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What Simon & Outlaw said- I agree with those points of view.
I am what I am ( like Popeye used to say ) so I have no choice but to live with myself- unless I take my own life- which I do not desire to do as I enjoy living and enjoy the life I have had post -JW experience with freedom of mind.
I've pretty much shed the JW skin I had when I was more judgmental towards people having been influenced by the WT Society rhetoric and prejudiced views of life. AS Simon stated I try now in my life to be really much more open minded towards other views while still keeping my personal values and personal identity. I'm not a big " group view " type of person- more of an individualist or rogue who considers group opinions - but doesn't join big organizations anymore as I form my own thoughts. I listen and access views- but at the end of the day I have to be happy with what I accept personally within myself. That's the difference now I feel in NOT being controlled by group-think such as WT Society views.
I try to be accepting of people as I hope they are accepting of me. If they aren't - I just move on to more accepting folks who I can communicate with. take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Ugh, cough, cough, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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TV commercial seen in the United States, from a Law firm "Asking if you were ever sexually abused by JEHOVAHS WITNESSES, please call".
by Dunedain inok, so i don't know if this is "old news", and if this has been seen, and or mentioned already.
if it was, i do apologize, but i feel i have to mention what has been seen on tv, within the past 24 hours.. first off, i would like to say that i did not personally see this commercial.
however, it was seen by someone that i can verify 100% is telling the truth, as it was my own father who saw it.
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DUNEDAIN- Thanks for posting this. This will get even bigger if the " E "cable channel broadcasts all across the United States . Come to think of it- the " E " channel DOES broadcast across the United states- doesn't it ? Has anybody else here seen these commercials in the other 49 states being broadcast yet - other than just in the state of New York ? I'm curious- let us know folks if you see this commercial running in the other U.S . states. This could get MUCH bigger than we think
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Why does God allow animals to suffer? Does God care about animals? What does the Watchtower teach about this?
by defender of truth inthe following article will address these questions, and attempt to answer them.. after helping jwfacts with his page on animal suffering, i decided to write this article.. it is mainly aimed at helping jehovahs witnesses and other believers in god to think about the issue, as well as the apparent contradictions in watchtower teaching.. thanks must go to jwfacts for the encouragement, and giving me permission to use an image from his page and to use some of the quotes.. also, thankyou to cofty for general moral support.. please let me know what you think everybody, and feel free to reproduce any part or all of the article on any other website, just post and let me know that you've used it on your site please.. (i'd appreciate it if anyone could post to tell me they found a point in here useful, it would encourage me to keep going).. okay, here it is:.
why does god allow animal suffering?.
does it trouble you to see animals in pain?.
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If " God " cared about " animals " - he wouldn't allow the GB to keep controlling JW's. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Some powerful stuff against the WT
by Giordano inin another thread a poster has been in a pitched fight with others about the results from the arc.
trying to explain away the results and minimizing the damages.
what he has failed to understand is that the society had and still does have certain policies in place that hide the sexual abuse of minors.
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GIORDANO- Thanks for taking the time to start this thread and enumerate in detail for lurking JW's or newer board members who need to be brought up to speed as to the depth and extent of the child abuse crimes within the WT Society and Jehovah's Witnesses. Very good thread, please read it and research everybody. This thread is accurate and tells the real truth of what's going on inside the WT Society. Thanks again Gio