according to jwism, god didn't cause suffering, he just allowed it.
wow, that's really, really, dumb.
to help humans out, jeehoobidoob provided the ransom.
What ONE EYED JOE said on page 1, I agree. God must be a real asshole to have allowed what happened to happen just in order to prove a point and make the human race suffer becoming co-dependent on him. Or incredibly inept and incapable of doing anything to fix the injustices or suffering - or he just doesn't care or give a rat's ass.
The other explanation- god doesn't exist and the Bible is a total book of man made jargon used to control people. That's the other side of the coin
are our dead loved ones watching over us at all or are they really just gone now?
" What Happens to you When you Die ? "
Who the hell knows ? I guess I'll find out after I die. Tell you what Minimus- if I get your phone number in private sometime while I'm still alive in this fleshly body - I'll hang onto your phone number and after I die - if I'm able to- I'll call you . Deal ? It would be nice to think that some of my deceased friends have tried to contact me in my dreams as I've experienced- but I don't know if it's just dreams or someone contacting me from beyond. Won't really know until I experience death myself I imagine.
I mean who really knows until they experience it ? It's something I really don't worry about. I'm too busy enjoying the life I have while I have it ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
i came across this blog - it is one of the evilest things i've ever read.. http://dismythed.blogspot.com/2016/02/flip-side-news-opposers-want-ex.html.
you might not want to click on it because a) you'll give it more traffic and b) it will make you mad.
in summary it states that since only 11-17% of molesters are repeat offenders, witnesses guilty of abuse should be dealt with inside the congregation as long as they confess.
The JW spin- or translation ( WT Society GB ) spin is to treat child abuse as a " sin " instead of the crime that it really is. So they take a dismissive attitude towards any police investigations and arrogantly feel that THEY the GB can determine how to treat child molesters among them better than the authorities, police, or Caesar's laws of the land.
WT leaders become a law unto themselves and their closed community of JW's and become judge, jury, and executioner all wrapped into one. WT leaders are very good at living in fantasy land where they feel they don't have to answer to the laws of the land or police authorities at all. That's how arrogant they are. They feel that way SO much that it's one reason they refused to testify in San Diego , California in the Gilbert Lopez child abuse case. They refused to send the GB member Losch and refused the court order to provide documentation of how many pedophiles are in the witnesses , as well as refusing to disclose written policies concerning WT child abuse. They just feel that they don't have to answer to anybody about anything.
If the child abuse lawsuits keep avalanching into the hundreds worldwide- the WT Society will be FORCED to recognize police authority and governmental intervention if they keep being arrogant. It's what they deserve for their arrogance. They've made their own bed- they should lay in it
i didn't see an introduction forum anywhere but i thought it would be weird to start posting without first introducing myself so, here we are.
i'm 15, and i've been looking for a place to discuss my thoughts on the religion that i'm pretty much stuck in at the moment.
my mom and dad divorced over their different beliefs over a year ago (my mom is jw and my dad is an very knowledgeable apostate, so you can see how they would fight over it), and since then i've stopped believing altogether.. just thought i'd say hello.
hi, although i signed up two years ago, and filled out the "interview with an apostate" as hillfy54321, i have since only read various posts.
then purchased a new computer and lost my password, thus no new posts.
i have since reapplied, and now go under the handle of hillfy 333.. a little about myself.
with all the recent changes to this religion, what really is the purpose of being a jw?
especially for those who have been in and witnessed all the changes and still no sight of the end.
for these ones in particular (35-55 year olds) they must be in a state of confusion.
I truly believe for most JW's who are still in and have doubts- it's the old cliché that "ignorance is bliss " - they WANT to keep their heads in the sand like ostriches ignoring the facts about the WT Society's injustices because it's a familiar feeling to them to be in an organization with everybody else feeling duped and disempowered as well.
It's kind of like abuse victims in a bad abusive marriage who refuse to leave- yes, it's bad, it hurts - but abuse is all they've known so they grow accustomed to the abuse- it's familiar to them and they are afraid or fearful to leave because it's all they've ever known. I feel JW's are this way because their minds have been programmed to know nothing else. It's a bad situation but to them it's less fearful than " the unknown " outside the organization. I think that's it in a nutshell. If only they'd take a chance and breathe the fresh air of freedom away from the mind control cult JW's they'd be a lot happier. But once again - they don't even realize that could happen having been pre-programmed in their hardwired WT brains
after the worst introduction i could ever make on the forum i would like to reintroduce myself and make a fresh start on the forum and hopefully over time i will be able to redeem myself.
i have changed my user name which was over dramatic and ridiculous in the cold light of day but for transparency and to show i am not trying to hide anything i have adapted the original name and it now has a more positive feel.
after reading a lot of posts on this forum i am feeling more optimistic about my future.
FORMERLYSANDL- Nice to have you here Sandl. Join the crowd of freedom thinking people. I too was born and raised in the JW organization - my dad is a long time elder and I exited not until I was age 44 about 13 years ago. And many of my family members are still in- however out of 8 nieces and nephews aged 28 to 42 ( including my children ) 4 out of the 8 are out of the Witnesses now. Thank god.
I know how you feel when the light comes on and you get your awakening- your epiphany - and the JW blinders come off- it's not easy and it's not a pretty sight seeing how all of us were deceived by a manipulative bunch of old curmudgeons at WT headquarters. But it will get better for you- I promise. The further you get away from the Witnesses the more fresh air of reality you'll breathe and your life will eventually become less complicated. We are here as a support to you my friend. If you ever want to chat I offer my friendship to you. Just PM me and let me know. Hang in there
i can't recall the word that describes a group that keeps to itself like the witnesses do.
i thought it was "insular" but i don't think that's the one i'm looking for after reading the definition.
i remember an elder using the word "clannish" and that has the proper definition but it reminds me of a group of elves.
i can't recall the word that describes a group that keeps to itself like the witnesses do.
i thought it was "insular" but i don't think that's the one i'm looking for after reading the definition.
i remember an elder using the word "clannish" and that has the proper definition but it reminds me of a group of elves.
Paul you stated, " I'm looking for a neutral word that doesn't necessarily connote negativity " . Good luck on that then. Most words that describe what JW's and the WT Society are about - denote negativity. My thoughts like Beth Sarim " CONTROLLED ". "Controlled " would be the positive spin word for " enslaved " - if you're looking for a silver lining of positivity
i haven't posted much lately because i got a new job at the end of nov. and it's taken much of my time and mental energy.
i still read though and care for you all very much so i thought i should let you know about the meet-up i had yesterday with mr and mrs flipper.. hubby got a call the day before from flipper saying he and his wife were going to visit his mother (who is in a rest home in my town) and would we like to meet up for coffee?
hubby couldn't make it but i was delighted to accept.. we picked a burger place not far from the rest home and where i knew jdubs don't usually hang out on saturdays.
Hey 3RDGEN- Just got back from working last night and my wife told me you posted this thread. Thanks for posting the thread, really enjoyed your takes. We really had a nice time visiting with you also. You and your husband are dear friends to us for sure. What a very kind thing to do for my mother in visiting her with us . We enjoyed having you visit and enjoyed our Starbucks visit as well with you ! Sorry your hubby couldn't make it- perhaps next time as you mentioned we could spend the night and visit with him more too ! It would be great to get some others together as well for pizza or something . Sounds fun !
It really is true though- those of us who have been through the fire of unjust treatment inside the JW cult - do develop a deeper sense of empathy and appreciation of freedom once we get out and a deeper understanding and empathy towards others who have been mistreated as well . Say " hi " to hubby for us and give him a hug from both of us. O.K. ? We look forward to our next visit with you - hopefully in a couple months ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
