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What's your all-time favorite Song by musician ? Name Song and Artist

by flipper in

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flipper again.

personally my all time favorite song?

stairway to heaven by led zeppelin.one of my top favorite groups ,too.

flipper

VIOLIA- The Elvis song is really good- however I got a real laugh with the dancing in the youtube. It is SO 60's ! LOL ! Pretty funny stuff. But a good song

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Our JW Friend told by Elder "Satan is using a Pedophile to Break your Faith"

by flipper in

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i was given permission by a jw friend of my wife and me to post this experience.

she's anonymous and posts on the board.

she is married to a witness still but is fighting on behalf of children in her congregation to not be a next victim of a pedophile who attends her congregation.

I saw that this thread had been bumped up a couple months ago, and although it's an older thread from years ago I thought I would mention that this child molester WAS DFed in time due to abuse being committed again. AND reinstated as well within a year. Shows how the WT Society caters to pedophiles for sure. Thanks for the comments just wanted to respond to your thoughts as I have a little spare time here.

BERRYGERRY- Yeah, the update is what I wrote above and our friend is doing well. She is still not attending meetings these last 5 years or so and has attained freedom of mind and is trying to move on with post-JW life. We keep in contact with her about once a month or so. We both have busy work schedules.

LOVEUNIHATEXAMS- Our friend did everything she possibly could to protect this young girl- but in the end the elders did NOTHING to protect her, and she was molested. So like you say the WT Society does NOT care about the safety of minor children WT leaders just care about the financial liability coming from child abuse lawsuits.

SPARROWDOWN- Exactly. " Satan " has always been a good scapegoat when in actuality the WT leaders are to blame and they shift the blame to " Satan " .

VIDIOT- Indeed it was a pretty arrogant statement by the WT leaders in the letter to elders and elders manual that THEY would determine WHO is a sexual predator - or not . And what qualifications do WT leaders have to make such a determination ? NONE whatsoever. They should leave that determination to police authorities and experts and keep to printing their mind control crap.

JW DAUGHTER- Indeed our friend did everything in her power to protect children from this pedophile. She DID tell people in her congregation on the side and yet still - the elders did NOTHING to protect this girl. One reason she got molested.

SHANAGIRL- Exactly. Our friend DOEs realize that she wants nothing to do with this criminal organization anymore. And our friend DID do everything within her power to publicize the elders ignoring of the pedophile situation and still - nothing was done to correct the child abuse situation. So a person can only do so much. You do as much as you can- then leave it in the hands of the police authorities to do the right thing - if they can catch the pedophile before he re-offends. If not - then the child victim loses out and the WT Society is at fault as well as child protection services and police authorities. But our friend can sleep at night with a clean conscience KNOWING she did the right thing

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Field Service Reports Count More than Showing Love - Ray Franz CF Book

by flipper in

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i've always suspected this was the wt society's view when i was in the jehovah's witness organization - but never knew the head of the writing committee karl adams had written a letter to nathan knorr ( then wt president ) recommending a change regarding reporting field service time as it wrongly emphasized jw members being seen as mainly being approved due to field service statistics - instead of emphasizing christian qualities of love, kindness, peace, etc.. karl adams had been personally handpicked by nathan knorr to be the head of the writing department.

in 1971 he wrote a letter to knorr which he wanted shared with the entire governing body as well .

i'll share the main parts of that letter.. on pg.

flipper

Just realized this thread had been bumped up ! Thanks for the replies.

JUST A READER- I'm sorry to hear that you and your daughter were treated so disrespectfully by the elders. I experienced that treatment as well. Showing love and showing the fruitages of the spirit were NOT what was emphasized unfortunately when we were JW's. It's still not emphasized. It's always been " outward appearance " type stuff. Getting a lot of service time in, conducting multiple bible studies, or placing a gazillion magazines in the field. Simply ridiculous, and it has nothing to do with how kind or loving a person is.

JW DAUGHTER- Good comparison on your part with the business marketing outlook. As you mentioned PRODUCTION is a big emphasis in any business and the WT Society has become nothing more than a huge marketing cult and real estate corporation essentially. No emphasis on love whatsoever.

BLACKFALCON - Thanks for marking.

STUCKINARUT- I'm glad this was bumped up as well. Ray Franz made some good points in regards to this field service time situation.

BUNGI BILL- I agree with you. WT Society deserves everything they get in a negative way with how they roll and do their business. To throw JW members under the bus for not producing enough field service time, placing magazines, or having bible studies to the exclusion of NOT valuing any kindness, compassion, or love towards others being treated as not necessary - is barbaric and inhumane on the WT Society's part.

DOZY- Thanks for brining up the example of the kindly " brother " you knew in your former congregation. I think I knew hundreds of those kind of " kindly " brothers who were ALWAYS overlooked for positions in the congregations because the WT Society did not emphasize showing kindness, mercy, love, or compassion to others for being a qualification to be appointed an elder. A JW man could actually be an asshole, a jerk- yet if he turned in 20 or more hours a month and pioneered- he'd get appointed an elder. Even if he was secretly abusive in his home life to his wife or children- if he pioneered- he was looked at as a " hero " within the congregation. Which really shows just how INSANE the appointing process was inside JW congregations !

TOESUP- Exactly. What comes around goes around. I constantly saw condescending attitudes towards JW's that didn't pioneer from pioneers. It caused such a negative competition between JW's this turning in time slips- that people actually judged one another based on how much time they reported in field service. It was and still is disgusting

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Could a religion caught up in abuse and fraud possibly be "true"?

by Jonathan Drake in

i recently had a discussion with a witness in which we were talking about the catholic church.

i led them out with talk about the fraud and child abuse scandals and everyone was agreeing and making comments about how terrible it is and how obviously wrong they are.

after about 30 minutes of solid rapport building in this manner, even incorporating scriptures regarding some doctrinal errors in their doctrine (catholic), i said this:.

flipper

No way, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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"Are you old in this system?" Feb 2015 broadcast video. Must watch

by stuckinarut2 in

if you have not already watched the feb 2015 broadcast, go to approx.

it has an elderly sister talking about being old in this world...a long time pioneer who probably thought the end would have come years ago...as the society told her many times.. now she is told to be on a mission to get young ones to also pioneer, and watch for the not so subtle condemntion of higher education!.

sickening stuff........ they missed the obvious elephant in the room.... a life wasted on nothing...now she has no money, and lived waiting for a fairy tale!

flipper

I watched the brief part at 58 minutes you talked of. Made me so sad for this old JW lady. Wanted to throw up. This poor thing has wasted her entire life on a pipedream and a false manipulation by the WT Society. I wonder how many other old JW's are feeling like her ? Like an old unused banjo stuck in a corner with cobwebs growing on it. Very sad. She will die with no realization of this false " paradise ". As will 100 % of all Jehovah's Witnesses. WT leaders are bastards. Who come across with mock humility

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Quick introduction

by OzGirl in

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only have a few minutes to spare so thought i would throw this together.. been in for about 30 years.

questions and doubts gathered over that time.

i have a keen interest in the legal and financial matters of the watchtower.. came across this site about 5 years ago.

flipper

OZGIRL- Welcome to the board. Nice to have you here. Lots of us are busy as well with work, etc. Drop in whenever you feel like it. Lots of cool people here who are very supportive. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Elephants and JWs never forget

by Joziqueen in

my mother in law lost her husband to cancer recently.

so feeling lonely and been pushed by her sister (active witness) after not stepping in a hall for 20 years she went to a sunday meeting.

one meeting where she had the surreal experience of having to watch a "special talk" on jw tv.

flipper

Oh my ! This poor woman is going to go back and suffer MORE abuse from the elders ? When she already suffered horrific abuse at the hands of her abusive elder first husband ? Please reason with your mother in law and save her from making a big mistake. This organization will throw her under the bus. And make her feel guilty about the evils that she suffered years ago. I wish her the best. Hope she doesn't go back to any more meetings

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77-year-old Jehovah's Witness murdered by her bible study.(Japan)

by jwstudy in

19-year-old girl arrested for killing 77-year-old woman in nagoya.

crime jan. 28, 2015 - 03:00pm jst .

nagoya .

flipper

Very sad situation. There are so many bat $hit crazy people out there who are psychopathic waiting to knock somebody off - anybody. The poor older lady was in the wrong place at the wrong time. A few made the point of JW's being WAY too trusting ; and that's TRUE when they are out in their door to door ministry proselytizing . It's like the WT cult makes them a " deer in the headlights " with only ONE intention- getting the WT message out to people at ALL costs and their minds go into neutral not thinking about dangers or being alert to it.

I remember years ago when my mom was in her 50's in the early 1980's she called on this little man named " Tiny " and he invited her in because he had agreed to a " Bible Study ". Wasn't very smart on my mom's part but long story short " Tiny " got a fixation or attraction towards my mom and tried to kiss her and give her hugs before she left wanting MORE than just a " Bible Study ". So my mom saw the need to drop the return visit and hand it over to a male JW. Of course- " Tiny " lost interest at that point.

Point I'm making is we NEVER know what the agenda of people are or what is going on in their personal life - and it's irresponsible of the WT Society to put people in harms way without supporting them. Especially minor children or older people going door to door as you never know who is on the other side of that door

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"Religion gives us the Why"

by Phizzy in

i have heard this nonsense said by many believers, especially when science conflicts with their belief, they say:.

" well, science may tell us how we got here, religion tells us why we are here".

does religion tell us that ?

flipper

Religion gives people excuses and alibis so that they don't have to face reality. It's for people who are scared of making their own future so they get a pretend insurance policy and organize it into a " religion " so that they don't have to think for themselves and have either a pastor, elders, or a group of people in a congregation think for and with them and tell them what to believe. Or rely on a book written by men claiming to be inspired by God. It boxes in their ability to think critically or see life with an open mind

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Does anyone have any information on lawsuits in regards to JW's victimizing the mentally ill?

by lme123 in

i am a former jw, 14 years removed.

i moved out of state away from my jw family for 10 years, and currently moved back to my home town 2 years ago.

it was a great healing process for me, especially being away from all of the confusing and controversial influences i was raised with.

flipper

IME123- Welcome to the board. Nice to have you here. I'm so sorry that your friend that you mention was treated so unjustly from the elders and the WT mindset in the elders. I have personally known people who were JW's who committed suicide after having been treated unjustly from elders. Elders are NOT trained to deal with mental illness. But they act as an authority under the guidance of the WT Society. It's extremely dangerous and the WT Society has a lot of bloodguilt on it's hands due to allowing these injustices to happen.

As regards HOW you can gather a lot of unjustly treated people together who have suffered abuse from the WT Society due to mental illness to go for a class action lawsuit against the WT Society- your guess is as good as mine. I would suggest talking to an attorney for a consultation to see what options are available. You'll need all the support you can in taking on the WT Society. Victims of WT child abuse are finding that out for sure. You'll need documentation, good attorneys who know the law. WT Society doesn't like to admit fault for any injustices they commit. I applaud you for taking the time and effort to fight on behalf of these victims. You have my support. I wish you the best and good luck indeed in pursuing it