Posts by flipper

Exactly my point earlier. Totally agree. And that's one of the huge reasons these JW's won't leave the org in spite of assassine, ridiculously insane teachings - they are controlled by WT leaders through either an imagined fear of destruction at an imaginary " Armageddon " - or - they are in fear of losing their entire social network of friends and family due to the shunning policy

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So what's this special meeting all about?

by purrpurr in

any guesses?.

flipper

I second Punk's comment. Peace out, Mr. Flippper

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Overlapping Generations

by JRK in

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i remember when that came out, my mother didn't catch it in the original article in the wt.

it was in one of the review "do you remember" thingies that she caught it.

she asked me if it means what she thought it meant.

flipper

JRK- Hey my dear friend, saw this thread when I woke up this morning. Great thread, good points you make. As you stated both for your mom , and for myself with dealing with my JW parents when they were alive - they too had so much invested in the WT organization - that it would have virtually destroyed their perception of what they considered to be " reality " for 60 years if they had seen through the overlapping generation theory in their mid to late 80's.

That being said I do believe that the majority of JW's stay in this organization out of FEAR indoctrinated into them by the GB and WT leaders and writers. The JW's that still believe in it stay in out of fear of being destroyed at the imaginary " Armageddon " - the JW's that don't believe in it and think it's a crock of shit - STILL stay in the organization out of FEAR of losing family members if they left. It's still the element of FEAR controlling all of these JW's - just fear of different things whether they believe - or not still.

Kind of how I see it with what little contact I have with JW's these days, which is just very rare talk with JW relatives once in a blue moon. Take care buddy, peace & hugs, Mr. Flipper

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How do you feel about the elders?

by Lost in the fog in

oh dear, i recently made a comment about an elder being dogmatic.

and one of his best buddies sent me a wt article to help me realign my mind or something.

this is where reality separates from fantasy and fiction.

flipper

A good number of the elders I used to know while I was a JW years ago looked at themselves as " legends in their own mind " . Enamored with the position, power & control they wielded over rank & file JW's. And enamored with themselves.

I used to call some of them on their shit as well- as you might expect I was never appointed an elder due to voicing my opinion and for speaking out against injustices I was an eyewitness to in their actions.

My view of them ? They could sit on their thumb and rotate for all I cared. They caused enough pain for many lifetimes in my family

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Motherly Love, that "Unbreakable Bond"

by Simon in

my father died a couple of months ago.

he'd been ill for some time and had many health scares and heart troubles over the years but always managed to keep on going.

then one time he didn't.. i'm glad i got to know him again and spend some more time with him after so many years missed because of the wts but those years will always be lost forever.

flipper

SIMON- My wife and I send our deepest condolences to you on the loss of your dad. I've lost both my parents in the last year and a half, and it's always a tough situation. We wish you and your family peace during this difficult time and going forward. Sincerely, Mr. & Mrs. Flipper

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advice please/data protection

by Phoebe in

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i have just received an email from an elder's wife regarding the new data protection laws.

between the lines it sounds like she has been asked to contact me.. she says they 'don't want to leave me out' so they want me to fill out the form as 'i'm still part of the congregation'.

also, my blood card needs updating, apparently.. the elder in charge will be in contact.. obviously, i'm not doing either, but what do i do?

flipper

PHOEBE- I agree with all of the other posters views here. Let's never forget this fact- most JW's are nosy busybody's who do not honor personal, private boundaries of their fellow JW's - or anyone else's boundaries for that matter. And what's the reason they act that way ? It comes down from the top of this WT organization as we are so abundantly seeing right now with this data retrieving crap going on towards JW's.

Any advantage or access to personal information that gives WT leaders and WT legal department power & control over your private information is always to THEIR legal advantage - not the rank & file JW's advantage. Just more methods of control. You are smart not to comply with this demand put on you. Good luck, keep your freedom from them dear to you ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Suggestions how to fade out/ changing congregation and loosing your files

by JustHuman14 in

i wasn't so sure how to add title in this topic.

i went back to the borg, for family reasons and the concept was after a year or so to fade out.

i m into the fade out process now.

flipper

JUST HUMAN- Just stop attending period. If you're not giving anyone account of your actions anyway- just totally go rogue and get off the JW /elder radar by not having any communication whatsoever with your former elders, congregation - anything ! No need to get a card from them or anything ! Like Paul Simon said in " 50 Ways to leave your lover " - " just drop off the key lee, and set yourself free ! " Easy as that.

You will find that the stress level in your life goes away even more when you totally cut yourself off from the congregation and elders who kept check on you. It's how I did it , been out 15 years now . My JW parents still kept in touch with me when they were alive, we just didn't talk about JW topics. You might try this and see how it works for you. Good luck to you,take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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What's it like these days for teenagers?

by JeffT in

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i converted at age 22, and left 15 years later (1988) so i don't really know what its like to be in high school as a jw.

for those of you who do know: do teenage jw's hang out with each other?

worldly kids?

flipper

JEFF- I can only speak for my own experience. Like Totally ADD - I was born and raised up in the Jehovah's Witness cult. It was REALLY difficult as my dad was one of the " star " elders in our geographical area constantly too busy on " shepherding " calls in the 1960's & 1970's to spend much time with me - yet he demanded the utmost compliance from me in devotion to the JW cult.

In 3rd grade I was expected to lead a flag salute in front of 300 other classmates on the stage and I told my teacher I couldn't do it. I wanted to get out of it. But my dad told me " all you have to do is just lead the flag salute and introduce it , but don't say the words and don't put your hand over your heart " . I said, " In front of 300 students and people ? " He said, " you can do it " . I never forgot how stressful and traumatic that was for me- an 8 year old boy. Also I was sent to sit at the school office when my classmates had Birthdays or Halloween celebrations. My teachers had to make other work assignments in grade school for me when the other children were cutting and working on Christmas assignments. It was ridiculous. Kids always asking me " why don't you celebrate Christmas " ?

So by the time I reached High School although I was good and indoctrinated as a newly baptized JW - I still had non-JW friends at school, my JW mom didn't mind because they were good guy friends I had who I played tennis with outside of school. But my elder dad was still a hard ass and wouldn't let me go out for the high school baseball team as a freshman as he said " it would keep you from attending Tuesday night meetings due to baseball practice " . So I wasn't allowed to go out for ANY sports in High School. My baseball coach was pissed off at my dad because back then I had really good baseball skills as a hitter and was a great outfielder. It totally frustrated me. Also my dad didn't like that I wore my hair somewhat longer. Read me scriptures that as an elders son I had to set an example and that I was " stumbling " other teenagers by my example. Then I read him back the scripture in Romans " Who are you to be judging the house servant of another " ? Of course- that went over like a lead balloon !

By age 18 I escaped and got out of my dad's house as soon as I could , then finally married young at age 19 - totally too young to marry but like most young JW's - the only way to " legally " have sex and not get dfed in the organization. Tried pioneering and the ministerial servant dance - but got tired of the politics, finally escaped the organization at age 44. It was a frustrating, stifling Mr. Toads wild ride - believe me. Glad I've been out for 15 years ! Freedom is sweet. Being a teenager is hell as a JW if you have one of your parents who is very controlling. My elder dad was. But hey ! At least I can wear my hair any length I want to now ! lol

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"Thanks for the thought" - how the religion robs people of normal humanity

by stuckinarut2 in

so as you all know, my wife and i are not officially df or da.. a small event happened this week that i have to share!.

a family that we were really close to (dinners and catch ups several times a month , go out socially often, play sport together, helped them through tough times, like uncle and aunty to their kids, etc).

the wife's father died.

flipper

STUCK- Hey man, I know how you feel. I mean- I'm not dfed or did not dissassociate- but I'm still treated like I am dfed. I'm totally shunned by those in my family two older daughters and older JW siblings ( my youngest daughter occasionally talks or text messages me but rarely ) - all of the JW's I once considered " friends " don't speak to me or reach out, but this WT organization MAKES them this way. WT Society has created these socially inept monsters of human beings and any real humane empathy, caring, or compassion, or empathy - is totally stripped from their minds due to indoctrination and WT mind control. It's disgusting and sad. It was driven home to me when I saw what happened to my older JW mom when housed in a care facility for the final two and a half years of her life. I thought I " knew " my JW family- I didn't know them at all after the way mom was warehoused and treated with her voice and opinions being dismissed. It sickened me. Made me feel ashamed and angry that any power I thought I had to help my mom - was taken from me by my older siblings and my dad. My voice was ignored. Now I do what I can to help older people I know when it's in my power to do so